U.N. ban

Good point. We've allowed Bush to basically curtail our rights, now Obama can do anything.

Still rather focus on real issues.

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Dear United Nations:

I'm not quite sure how to put this, so I'll simply say it: Are you folks out of your minds? I do apologize! It's just that I cannot think of a nicer way to address the fact that this is a VERY bad idea.

Are you so naieve to believe that disarmament is an effective solution to the misuse of arms? Are you not aware that ALL such attempts wind up disarming law-abiding citizens while the law-breaking criminals wind up obtaining, and using, illegal firearms anyhow?

Historically, the widespread possession of firearms among a general populace is the most effective way of reducing crime. Switzerland is a prime example of this. America's relaxation of gun control over the last twenty years and the resulting massive reduction in crime is another prime example. The United Kingdom's massive increase in gun control and the resulting massive increase in crime are prime examples of what NOT to do.

An armed society is a polite society. This works because 90% to 95% of society are not law-breakers! It's the 5% to 20% who ARE law-breakers who commit 100% of the crimes. When you either arm everyone (Switzerland) or at least allow everyone to be armed if they so choose (U.S.), the result is a sharp drop in crime. Criminals aren't stupid - if they have reasonable belief that committing a crime may very well result in Joe Citizen responding with deadly force, they will usually re-think their line of "work."

I am an historian, and served honorably as an officer in the U.S. Air Force for more than 20 years. I know what I'm talking about, and I am always armed, not because I think anything is going to happen today, but knowing full well the odds of something happening in the next 10,000 days are strong. I am not armed because I'm a "gun nut." I don't belong to the NRA or other pro-gun group. I am armed because I consider my personal responsibility to protect myself and those around me against illegal violence.

I am very glad I live in both a country and a state where I can freely exercise this right! But it's not just a right - it's a responsibility, even a duty.

I am utterly disgusted with the general anti-gun mentality of the United Nations. It's awash in wishful thinking, totally ignores volumes of history attesting to the fact this is a VERY bad idea, and seeks to undermine a solution which has worked to keep the peace for several hundred thousand years: Armament, education, and peaceful cooperation among the various circles of society.

I ask you again: Are folks out of your minds?

As you're looking into "the feasibility, scope and draft parameters for a comprehensive, legally binding instrument establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of convention arms," PLEASE keep in mind the fact that limiting the possession of weapons by honest, law-abiding citizens DOES NOT WORK!

I sincerely hope and pray my country's government is NEVER so idiotically stupid to sign off on your ridiculous treaty (here: http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/html/ATT.shtml)

If ever they do, I will uphold my solemnly sworn oath of office to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

I will do so TO THE DEATH, should that ever prove necessary.

Please reconsider this abominable plan of yours.

Good day, gentleman.

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since9 wrote:

Dear United Nations:

I'm not quite sure how to put this, so I'll simply say it: Are you folks out of your minds? I do apologize! It's just that I cannot think of a nicer way to address the fact that this is a VERY bad idea.

Are you so naieve to believe that disarmament is an effective solution to the misuse of arms? Are you not aware that ALL such attempts wind up disarming law-abiding citizens while the law-breaking criminals wind up obtaining, and using, illegal firearms anyhow?

Historically, the widespread possession of firearms among a general populace is the most effective way of reducing crime. Switzerland is a prime example of this. America's relaxation of gun control over the last twenty years and the resulting massive reduction in crime is another prime example. The United Kingdom's massive increase in gun control and the resulting massive increase in crime are prime examples of what NOT to do.

An armed society is a polite society. This works because 90% to 95% of society are not law-breakers! It's the 5% to 20% who ARE law-breakers who commit 100% of the crimes. When you either arm everyone (Switzerland) or at least allow everyone to be armed if they so choose (U.S.), the result is a sharp drop in crime. Criminals aren't stupid - if they have reasonable belief that committing a crime may very well result in Joe Citizen responding with deadly force, they will usually re-think their line of "work."

I am an historian, and served honorably as an officer in the U.S. Air Force for more than 20 years. I know what I'm talking about, and I am always armed, not because I think anything is going to happen today, but knowing full well the odds of something happening in the next 10,000 days are strong. I am not armed because I'm a "gun nut." I don't belong to the NRA or other pro-gun group. I am armed because I consider my personal responsibility to protect myself and those around me against illegal violence.

I am very glad I live in both a country and a state where I can freely exercise this right! But it's not just a right - it's a responsibility, even a duty.

I am utterly disgusted with the general anti-gun mentality of the United Nations. It's awash in wishful thinking, totally ignores volumes of history attesting to the fact this is a VERY bad idea, and seeks to undermine a solution which has worked to keep the peace for several hundred thousand years: Armament, education, and peaceful cooperation among the various circles of society.

I ask you again: Are folks out of your minds?

As you're looking into "the feasibility, scope and draft parameters for a comprehensive, legally binding instrument establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of convention arms," PLEASE keep in mind the fact that limiting the possession of weapons by honest, law-abiding citizens DOES NOT WORK!

I sincerely hope and pray my country's government is NEVER so idiotically stupid to sign off on your ridiculous treaty (here: http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/html/ATT.shtml)

If ever they do, I will uphold my solemnly sworn oath of office to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

I will do so TO THE DEATH, should that ever prove necessary.

Please reconsider this abominable plan of yours.

Good day, gentleman.

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Since9, you are right on the mark. Neither am I a "gun nut" but I will not give up my guns. The way things are in the west now: without our shooterswe become setting ducks for criminals.



Since the U.S. is not a member of the U.N. the senate would have to adopt and ratfy that ban and I think most of our senaters are smart enough to know that if they would adopt and ratify they would find themselves inthe unemployment line.



I too am and old veteran of both the Air Force and the Army. Guns have been a part of my life since I grew big enough to carry one and if such a "gun grab" would occurre, I would hide mine in a cave up in the mountains before i would turn them over to be cut up and melted down. Good post my friend. Avery good post.

Colorado Slick

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There's no UN Small Arms Treaty out there to read...

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And duh.. it's all to obvious to my backers and supporters.. 

I've asked for clear-cut evidence in text.  All you have done is post websites and links.  Look at all the hard work I put into my first few posts.. You owe it to me to do the same.  Respect my work and give me something respectable to read.

What exactly am I to be afraid of?

Are they taking away guns?  Stopping the shipments of ammo?  No sale of ammo?  no sale of guns?  No private sales?  No business sales only?  Closing gun shows?  Closing gun shops?   Banning all accessories?

What?  Exactly what?

Yeah you don't know.. because there's nothing to say.  You can post links and websites all day but that doesn't change the fact that there's nothing to be afraid of.  No text no laws no bills nothing.  The UN can draft a million Gun Laws and arms treaties all day for the rest of existence.. 

Until you can point out what there is to be scared of.. I'm not following.

I promise you all..  life will go on as usual- small arms treaty or not.

So I propose my question one more time.. and this time I expect an answer not a link.

What are we to be afraid of?  What are you so scared of?  Is it confiscation or the ban of sale?  Is it a lack of ammo?  No pistols or rifles and pistols both?? 

Please... it's for our safety.  It's for my families safety.  For your sake for my sake.. What do I need to be afraid of?  How should I prepare for this UN Small Arms Treaty?

Thanks I appreciate it.

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cscitney87 wrote:

Are you saying this shouldn't be discussed? It's real, and it's out there. You might also check out the CIFTA treaty I linked to earlier -- it's been signed (by Clinton). Probably won't be ratified anytime soon, but shouldn't we at least be aware of these things?

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But that's okay.. you know how to read.

Anyway if you want to contribute, anything of value, please proceed to point out What and When and Where.

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Reid v. Covert

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties

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