Let's Start A Barrage

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We've seen what we can do when we work together. Dianosis' example proved the power of protest and the strength of the masses. Instead of just going from county to county or police chief to police chief, let's use our collective power to reach Montgomery. Politicians figure that for each letter, email or phone call they receive there are actually a hundred or more who feel the same way but haven't written, emailed or called. By sending hundreds, they will think thousands. We need to change the bad laws that are on the books now. Re-educating LEOs about OC under the current laws is probably harder than getting the laws changed. Somehow, someway, there was someone who got the word to the legislators and they changed the laws about short-barreled rifles and shotguns. We now have to get the word out so the law can be changed to fit the truth of Open Carry in this state. There is a pro-gun movement going on in the country right now. Alabama changed its law on short-barreled weapons. Obama signed a law allowing weapons carry in national parks. The Heller decision in the Supreme Court allows residents in DC to have weapons for self-defense and they are now working on Chicago. The Open Carry movement is sweeping the country in over 40 states with Texas trying to get it through their state legislature.

Things have never been so pro-gun in the country right now on the legal front. Gun laws for carry and ownership are being relaxed all over the country and we need to build on this wave and ride it to remove or revise the bad laws we have on our books. We can actually get the goals of this site made law if we get together and press this on the lawmakers in Montgomery.

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We need a list of contact information for everyone we need to call, email, and send letters to about these laws. Not everyone is very aware of their reps and how to contact them.

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Hollowpoint38 wrote:

We need a list of contact information for everyone we need to call, email, and send letters to about these laws. Not everyone is very aware of their reps and how to contact them.

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ALABAMA HOUSE/ ALABAMA SENATE
11 South Union Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36130
(334)242-7800



ALABAMA LEGISLATORS
ALABAMA HOUSE

ALLEN, Gerald (R) 62 531 334-242-7758
BAKER, Alan (R) 66 538-A 334-242-7720
BAKER, Locy "Sonny" (D) 85 522-D 334-242-7683
BALL, Mike (R) 10 625-C 334-242-7683
BANDY, George C. (D) 83 529 334-242-7721
BARTON, Jim (R) 104 526-E 334-242-7754
BEASLEY, Billy (D) 84 625-A 334-242-7686
BEECH, Elaine (D) 65 540-B 334-242-7600
BENTLEY, Robert (R) 63 537-D 334-242-7691
BLACK, Marcel. (D) 3 516-C 334-242-7667
BOOTHE, Alan C. (D) 89 627-A 334-242-7710
BOYD, Barbara B. (D) 32 537-E 334-242-7692
BRIDGES, Duwayne (R) 38 120 334-242-7708
BROWN, K.L. (R) 40 524-B 334-242-7600
BUSKEY, James E. (D) 99 540-C 334-242-7757
CANFIELD, Greg (R) 48 628-E 334-242-7763
CLOUSE, Steve (R) 93 526-A 334-242-7717
COLEMAN, Merika (D) 57 208 334-242-7755
COLLIER, Spencer (R) 105 630-A 334-242-7719
CURTIS, Mike (D) 2 528-D 334-242-7725
DAVIS, Randy (R) 96 538-B 334-242-7724
DeMARCO, Paul (R) 46 537-F 334-242-7740
DRAKE, Owen (R) 45 528-B 334-242-7727
DUKES, Bill J. (D) 8 523-A 334-242-7689
ENGLAND, Chris (D) 70 539-B 334-242-7703
FAUST, Joe (R) 94 630-D 334-242-7699
FIELDS, James Jr. (D) 12 536-D 334-242-7600
FINCHER, Chad (R) 102 528-A 334-242-7778
FORD, Craig (D) 28 517-F 334-242-7690
GALLIHER, Blaine (R) 30 628-C 334-242-7760
GASTON, Victor (R) 100 526-C 334-242-7675
GIPSON, H. Mac Jr. (R) 88 534-C 334-242-7695
GORDON, James (D) 98 522-C 334-242-7772
GRAHAM, Betty Carol (D) 81 526-F 334-242-7741
GRANTLAND, Ronald (D) 9 524-A 334-242-7736
GREESON, Todd (R) 24 626 334-242-7743
GRIMES, David (R) 73 537-A 334-242-7707
GUIN, Ken (D) 14 519-C 334-242-7674
HALL, Laura (D) 19 517-D 334-242-7688
HAMMETT, Seth (D) 92 519 334-242-7668
HAMMON, Micky (R) 4 523-B 334-242-7709
HARPER, Alan (D) 61 538-C 334-242-7732
HILL, Mike (R) 41 628-D 334-242-7715
HILLIARD, Earl Jr. (D) 60 539-A 334-242-7684
HINSHAW, Randy (D) 21 535 334-242-7733
HOLMES, Alvin (D) 78 525-A 334-242-7706
HOWARD, Ralph (D) 72 527-D 334-242-7759
HUBBARD, Mike (R) 79 536-A 334-242-7739
HURST, Steve (D) 35 627-C 334-353-9215
IRONS, Tammy (D) 1 522-E 334-353-9032
ISON, Jamie (R) 101 527-B 334-242-7711
JACKSON, Thomas E. (D) 68 218 334-242-7738
JOHNSON, Ronald G. (R) 33 627-D 334-242-7777
KENNEDY, Yvonne (D) 97 537-C 334-242-7737
KNIGHT, John F. (D) 77 516-A 334-242-7660
LAIRD, Richard J. (D) 37 120 334-242-7744
LETSON, John "Jody" (D) 7 541-A 334-242-7767
LEWIS, Benjamin (R) 86 540-A 334-242-7756
LINDSEY, Richard J. (D) 39 514 334-242-7713
LOVE, Jay (R) 74 527-A 334-242-7716
MARTIN, James M. "Jimmy" (D) 42 220-B 334-242-7714
MASK, Barry (R) 31 524-D 334-242-7782
MCADORY, Lawrence (D) 56 539-C 334-242-7595
McCAMPBELL, A.J. (D) 71 539-F 334-242-7747
McCLAMMY, Thad (D) 76 206 334-242-7780
McCLENDON, Jim (R) 50 628-A 334-242-7749
McCLURKIN, Mary Sue (R) 43 120 334-242-7682
McCUTCHEON, Mac (R) 25 524-E 334-242-7705
McDANIEL, W. Frank (D) 26 219-A 334-242-7697
McLAUGHLIN, Jeff (D) 27 517-E 334-242-7765
McMILLAN, Steve (R) 95 532 334-242-7723
MILLICAN, Mike (D) 17 128 334-242-7768
MITCHELL, Joseph C. (D) 103 517-A 334-242-7735
MOORE, Mary (D) 59 539-D 334-242-7608
MOORE, Pat (R) 15 522-B 334-242-7775
MORROW, Johnny M. (D) 18 628-B 334-242-7698
NEWTON, Charles O. (D) 90 541-E 334-242-4460
NEWTON, Demetrius C. (D) 53 516-B 334-242-7664
ODEN, Jeremy H. (R) 11 537-B 334-242-7722
PAGE, Jack G. (D) 29 630-E 334-242-7742
PAYNE, Arthur (R) 44 627-B 334-242-7753
ROBINSON, John (D) 23 534-D 334-242-7728
ROBINSON, Oliver (D) 58 534-B 334-242-7769
ROGERS, John W. Jr. (D) 52 226 334-242-7761
SALAAM, Yusuf (D) 67 208 334-242-7746
SANDERFORD, Howard (R) 20 524-F 334-242-4368
SCOTT, Rod (D) 55 120 334-242-7752
SHERER, Tommy (D) 13 522-A 334-242-7694
SHIVER, Harry (R) 64 526-D 334-242-7745
SPICER, Terry (D) 91 630-B 334-242-7773
TAYLOR, Butch (D) 22 524-C 334-242-7600
THIGPEN, William E. Sr. (D) 16 538-D 334-242-7766
THOMAS, Elwyn (R) 34 541-B 334-242-7762
THOMAS, James L. (D) 69 525-B 334-242-7701
TODD, Patricia (D) 54 541-C 334-242-7718
TREADAWAY, Allen (R) 51 528-C 334-242-7685
VANCE, Lesley (D) 80 220-A 334-242-7687
WARD, Cam (R) 49 628-F 334-242-7750
WARREN, Pebblin (D) 82 517-C 334-242-7734
WHITE, Henry (D) 5 528-E 334-242-7712
WILLIAMS, Jack (R) 47 526-B 334-242-7779
WILLIAMS, Phil
(R) 6 536-C 334-242-7600
WOOD, Randy (R) 36 120 334-242-7700
WREN, Greg (R) 75 517-B 334-242-7764
VACANT SEAT


ALABAMA SENATE

Senator Party District Room # Office Phone
BARRON, Lowell (D) 8 729-B 334-242-7858
BEASON, Scott (R) 17 737-B 334-242-7794
BEDFORD, Roger (D) 6 730-B 334-242-7862
BENEFIELD, Kim (D) 13 729-C 334-242-7874
BISHOP, Charles (R) 5 733-D 334-242-7894
BROOKS, Ben (R) 35 735-A 334-242-7882
BUTLER, Tom (D) 2 733-C 334-242-7854
COLEMAN, Linda (D) 20 732 334-242-7864
DENTON, Bobby (D) 1 719 334-242-7888
DIXON, Larry (R) 25 737-D 334-242-7895
DUNN, Priscilla (D) 19 729 334-242-7793
ERWIN, Henry E. "Hank (R) 14 738-A 334-242-7873
FIGURES, Vivian Davis (D) 33 736-A 334-242-7871
FRENCH, Steve (R) 15 733-A 334-242-7851
GLOVER, Rusty (R) 34 735-B 334-242-7886
HOLLEY, Jimmy (R) 31 731-C 334-242-7845
KEAHEY, Marc (D) 22 731 334-242-7843
LITTLE, T.D. "Ted" (D) 27 740 334-242-7865
LITTLE, Zeb (D) 4 721 334-242-7855
MARSH, Del (R) 12 735-D 334-242-7877
MEANS, Larry (D) 10 731-A 334-242-7857
MITCHELL, Wendell (D) 30 726-B 334-242-7883
MITCHEM, Hinton (D) 9 726-A 334-242-7876
ORR, Arthur (R) 3 737-A 334-242-7891
PENN, Myron (D) 28 734-B 334-242-7868
PITTMAN, Trip (R) 32 738-B 334-242-7897
POOLE, Phil (D) 21 736-B 334-242-7889
PREUITT, Jim (R) 11 733-B 334-242-7898
ROSS, Quinton T., Jr. (D) 26 734-A 334-242-7880
SANDERS, Hank (D) 23 730-A 334-242-7860
SANFORD, Paul (R) 7 731 334-242-7867
SINGLETON, Bobby (D) 24 732-B 334-242-7935
SMITH, Harri Anne (R) 29 735-C 334-242-7879
SMITHERMAN, Rodger (D) 18 722 334-242-7870
WAGGONER, J. T. "Jabo" (R) 16 737-C 334-242-7892

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um... holy flamethrowers... that's a lot of phone numbers. Sounds like a busy day...

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To be effective, we need to focus our efforts on one or two clearly defined goals. I suggest that one of them be the repeal of -52, removing the excuse that some LEOs use for saying that they are confused about the legality of OC.

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eye95 wrote:

To be effective, we need to focus our efforts on one or two clearly defined goals. I suggest that one of them be the repeal of -52, removing the excuse that some LEOs use for saying that they are confused about the legality of OC.

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For what grounds do we want it repealed? Other than LEO confusion, why would they do that? I don't think confusion is a good enough reason as they seem to write the laws in confusing laws on purpose.

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LEO confusion is the precise reason it needs to be repealed. It serves no purpose. Even if someone could find an action that violates -52 (I can't, for the life of me, think of one), there is no penalty under law for violating that section.

So, the only thing that its presence accomplishes is fomenting confusion--allowing injustices such as experienced by Diagnosis. If clouding the law is the only effect -52 has, it needs to go.

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I'm up for it. Do we have to call everyone of those people above? Someone needs to find the email addresses so we can do massive emails at once. Seriously....

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Call, email and write. I have a form letter all ready typed out. My copy is actually 4 pages. I have a box of envelopes and it'll cost about $30 in stamps. The reason is they don't remember names and the more we can hit them with, the better. If we get lazy with this, we don't deserve to have our rights because we're not willing to fight for them.

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Do we send all these letters to that montgomery address and just put the different names on each one?

Also, do you have a letter already written we can use or should we all write a different one? It would work either way... what do you think?

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Hollowpoint38 wrote:

Do we send all these letters to that montgomery address and just put the different names on each one?

Also, do you have a letter already written we can use or should we all write a different one? It would work either way... what do you think?

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The senators and reps are in the same building, same address just different room numbers. I have a letter written but its four pages because I'm trying to get some information out to them..

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are those the room numbers above? If so which one's? 2 or 3 digit numbers?

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The room numbers are the ones that are like 628-F or whatever. The number right before that is the District.

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Awesome! COMENSE LETTER BARAGE!

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Absent a common and targeted goal of this letter-writing campaign, we will not be taken seriously. The reaction will be: So, what exactly do you want us to do? Make friendlier gun laws? How? What's the problem? We have friendly gun laws already.

Before any letter-writing campaign begins, we need to have a consensus on what the letters will ask for. The letters we each write don't have to be (and shouldn't be) the same, but they should all have the same narrowly-tailored goal.

What should that goal be?

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Yeah. I'm writing one right now and I'll post it when I'm done.



Eye ~ Having a little trouble writing the last bit of this. Why exactly do we want the -52 removed? What's a better way to word it?

Also, here is what I am writing about:

1 ~ CCP needed for car

2 ~ Public demonstration law

3 ~ Repealing -52

Anything I am forgetting?

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I would say that going after three goals is not narrowly-tailored enough. I think we have a better shot asking for one thing at a time.

The problem with -52 is that it is legally useless. However, its presence promotes unlawful acts by LEOs such as were suffered by Diagnosis. If it is gone, there is no question but that OC is legal.

Without -52, legal action against rogue LEOs will be easier and more likely to be successful. As it stands now, LEOs, when proven wrong, can avoid responsibility for their actions by saying that -52 confuses the issue.

For an example of someone misusing -52 to claim that the law is fuzzy and that we can't hold LEOs responsible for harassing OCers because of the fuzziness, just reread Bird Dog's posts.

Your post hits the top three priorities. I believe we will be better served taking one at a time. Logically -52 repeal should be first. It is the code problem we bump into the most and the one most likely to cause an OCer to spend some time in custody--unlawfully.

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ok. That helps. thanks. I agree that one issue at a time might help, but I think a detailed letter pointing each one would be more appropriate right now. (In my opinion)

Maybe they'll fix it all. If they don't, a redirect for each issue will be needed. I may be wrong though.

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This is what I'm going to send. If I should change something, yall let me know!

Eye95 ~ I stole your -52 reasoning. Hope you don't mind. You nailed it for me. LOL



Hello. My name is Tim Brand. I'm a member of Alabama Open Carry and OpenCarry.org. We are citizens who Open Carry a firearm through our daily life and push to maintain that right. We have found a few problems with the current gun laws in Alabama.

The first problem: We need a concealed carry permit to carry a weapon in a car, even if we open carry, because the gun is considered concealed in the car. Under the Alabama Castle Doctrine, my car is an extension of my home. My car is my own property. I do not need a permit to conceal a weapon at my house or on my property so why is my car any different? It shouldn't be and it needs to be changed. The laws in place make such a permit requirement unlawful and I ask that something be done about it.

The second problem: Under the United States Constitution and the Alabama Constitution, I have the right to peacefully protest. I also have the right to carry a weapon for defense of myself and others. The "Public Demonstration Law" of Alabama says I may not have a weapon at any public gathering which may draw attention. This law conflicts with the United States Constitution and must be removed. Laws may not conflict with each other and this is what is happening.

　

The third problem: 13a-11-52 should be repealed. The problem with -52 is that it is legally useless. It's presence promotes unlawful acts by Law Enforcement Officers and recent events have proven that. Law Enforcement Officers have admitted and proved their confusion with this law. As -52 stands, Law Enforcement Officers can avoid responsibility for their actions by saying that -52 confused the issue when they are proven wrong. The harassment of law abiding citizens must stop and this useless law must be removed in order to achieve that goal.


　

I will remind you that criminals do not follow the law. That is what made them criminals in the first place. These illegal laws do not stop the criminal element from carrying a weapon. These laws only stop legal law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and violate our rights under the Constitution. I respectfully ask that these issues be dealt with in a timely manner before another citizen is harassed by law enforcement. (( If I appears as if I have spoken negatively toward law enforcement, I am referring to them being confused and uneducated about laws and do not have an unspoken dislike for law enforcement.)) Thank you for your time.



-Timothy Brand

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You may want to hold off on mailing those letters for just a few weeeks. The elections will over by then. There may be new names on this list and the politicians right now aren't presenting any new business on the floor. But, we can use this time to get things set up for the new seesions and have the letter written, the email addresses gathered, etc. Then we can hit them with everything we have. Hopefully, we will find some pro-gun champions who will want to stand up and make the changes we need.