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    If budgets are bare...what's a citizen to do?


    Sheriff Sue Rahr...explains in an Op-Ed piece in this morning’s Seattle Times that “without additional funding” her department will be forced to cut 70 deputies. There will be 36 fewer deputy prosecutors to work criminal cases. That is this year, according to Rahr and Prosecutor Dan Satterberg. Next year will be worse.


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    ... and how many millions are being spent to build a catch fence on the George Washington bridge..?





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    ... and how many millions are being spent to build a catch fence on the George Washington bridge..?



    LOL seriously

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    This a standard tactic of the Democrats in power whether it has to do with school funding or state funding. They always try to get higher taxes by saying they'll have to do away with police,fire or other necessary services. In the schools sports and art are the common targets. They never even consider reducing any of the socialist social programs that they pour money into. They know that if they threaten the citizens children or the adults safety the general public will always cough up more money.

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    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/



    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/



    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/


    People who can't afford $500+ for a sidearm have the right to personal security too :P
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/


    People who can't afford $500+ for a sidearm have the right to personal security too :P
    My PT145 was $300.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/


    People who can't afford $500+ for a sidearm have the right to personal security too :P
    My PT145 was $300.
    For the same amount I got my Hipoint 45 and enough ammo to learn how to use it :P
    And speaking from personal experience, our HP's blew the Taurus away for reliability :shock:
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/


    People who can't afford $500+ for a sidearm have the right to personal security too :P
    My PT145 was $300.
    For the same amount I got my Hipoint 45 and enough ammo to learn how to use it :P
    And speaking from personal experience, our HP's blew the Taurus away for reliability :shock:
    WELL... WELL... MINE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BRICK! :P

    I really don't care as long as it works for you.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    Wait!

    I can get a gun for under $700????


    Live Free or Die!

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    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/


    People who can't afford $500+ for a sidearm have the right to personal security too :P
    My PT145 was $300.
    For the same amount I got my Hipoint 45 and enough ammo to learn how to use it :P
    And speaking from personal experience, our HP's blew the Taurus away for reliability :shock:
    WELL... WELL... MINE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BRICK! :P

    I really don't care as long as it works for you.
    lol well you've got me there, but if I run out of ammo and the bad guy's still twitching I'm still holding a handy bludgeon :what:
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Wait!

    I can get a gun for under $700????

    *
    :celebrate

    I don't think I've spent that much on any single gun in the lockup. Wait, I think the AR was $720
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Metalhead47 wrote:
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    Wait!

    I can get a gun for under $700????

    :celebrate

    I don't think I've spent that much on any single gun in the lockup. Wait, I think the AR was $720
    I have several Sig's and well......you get what you paid for.....

    To Hell and Back Reliability......

    If they are good enough to guard POTUS then they are good enough to guard me and my family.....
    Live Free or Die!

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    Wait!

    I can get a gun for under $700????

    *
    :celebrate

    I don't think I've spent that much on any single gun in the lockup. Wait, I think the AR was $720
    I have several Sig's and well......you get what you paid for.....

    To Hell and Back Reliability......

    If they are good enough to guard POTUS then they are good enough to guard me and my family.....
    AK47.

    Quite possibly the most rugged and reliable weapon ever created, and dirt cheap anywhere on the globe.

    :P
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    Wait!

    I can get a gun for under $700????

    :celebrate

    I don't think I've spent that much on any single gun in the lockup. Wait, I think the AR was $720
    I have several Sig's and well......you get what you paid for.....

    To Hell and Back Reliability......

    If they are good enough to guard POTUS then they are good enough to guard me and my family.....
    AK47.

    Quite possibly the most rugged and reliable weapon ever created, and dirt cheap anywhere on the globe.

    :P
    Interesting you bring that up (and I agree)

    Fox has a story on the M4 v. the AK47....

    Personally I will take the AK 7 days a week and twice on Sunday's.....

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...d-afghanistan/
    Live Free or Die!

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Interesting you bring that up (and I agree)

    Fox has a story on the M4 v. the AK47....

    Personally I will take the AK 7 days a week and twice on Sunday's.....

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...d-afghanistan/
    LOL I was reading the same one while posting that. I need to drop a little $ on new sights for mine, but just proves the point, cheap doesn't necessarily equal bad
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    killchain wrote:
    I have some interesting websites to go to to increase the security of your neighborhoods. I found some of these by googling "personal security."

    http://www.fnhusa.com/
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/
    http://www.berettausa.com/default.aspx
    http://www.taurususa.com/
    http://www.sigsauer.com/
    http://www.springfield-armory.com/
    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/



    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/


    People who can't afford $500+ for a sidearm have the right to personal security too :P
    My PT145 was $300.
    For the same amount I got my Hipoint 45 and enough ammo to learn how to use it :P
    And speaking from personal experience, our HP's blew the Taurus away for reliability :shock:
    I would daily carry my highpoint over my taurus if it didnt weigh so much. I tried but, I'm not into saggin. Never had a problem with my highpoint and it shot nuts on right out of the box, I'm on my 2nd taurus.

    BTW, just got our daily town paper today and 1 article reads "Burglary Spree" at least 22 homes and businesses have been robbed. Another article reads Council OK's new officer.I can see the problem with vacation homes, but one house was robbed and at least 16 guns were taken. All the more reason to arm yourself. Not only did we have robbers, but now we have armed robbers.

    I need to get some of the security signs
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    If your that concerned with security and being cheap, for just over 200 Mossberg has your solution. I may be a snob, but you won't find a high point in my gun safe. They actually recommend in the manual that you do not clean the firearm other than just the barrell, and you can not take it apart without a punch. You honestly get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.

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    Jayd1981 wrote:
    If your that concerned with security and being cheap, for just over 200 Mossberg has your solution. I may be a snob, but you won't find a high point in my gun safe. They actually recommend in the manual that you do not clean the firearm other than just the barrell, and you can not take it apart without a punch. You honestly get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.
    Highpoint has a "No questions asked warranty". Only thing I dont like about high point is the lack of accessories, like high cap mags. Just cause it doesnt cost as much as others, it doesnt have the bling, and is not easy to tear down, doesnt mean it's not reliable. Every round I've ever put in it has fired.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    amzbrady wrote:
    Jayd1981 wrote:
    If your that concerned with security and being cheap, for just over 200 Mossberg has your solution. I may be a snob, but you won't find a high point in my gun safe. They actually recommend in the manual that you do not clean the firearm other than just the barrell, and you can not take it apart without a punch. You honestly get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.
    Highpoint has a "No questions asked warranty". Only thing I dont like about high point is the lack of accessories, like high cap mags. Just cause it doesnt cost as much as others, it doesnt have the bling, and is not easy to tear down, doesnt mean it's not reliable. Every round I've ever put in it has fired.
    Then there's the dirty little secret of every single 1911 series pistol.

    Cleaning it.

    Really, trying to reassemble one of those is a CURSE.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    Jayd1981 wrote:
    If your that concerned with security and being cheap, for just over 200 Mossberg has your solution. I may be a snob, but you won't find a high point in my gun safe. They actually recommend in the manual that you do not clean the firearm other than just the barrell, and you can not take it apart without a punch. You honestly get what you pay for when it comes to firearms.
    Mossy 500s are even bulkier than HPs for OC/CC

    Where did you see that in the manual? Mine says clean the barrel every 300-400 rounds, complete tear-down & clean (instructions included) every 1500-2000. And again I'll point to the venerable AK & say the cliche about getting what you pay for is just that, a cliche. There are bargains to be had out there. Out of the box, I'll put my HPs up against any other sidearm in terms of reliability & accuracy. Aesthetics, now that's another matter :what:

    My Tanfoglio Match is a beautiful little tack driver, elegant, shiny, and with all the inherent class of an all-steel gun. It's my primary carry sidearm. But when I need to grab something quick to run up the street to the store, or need to conceal, I reach for my HP 9mm. I've only got 300 or 400 rounds thru the Tanfoglio at this point, our two HP 9's have a couple thousand thru each without a single malfunction other than user error. They're easy enough to tear down, and once stripped they're built like AK's: simple, robust, functional, ugly. No real need to do much more than take the slide off, run a brush thru the barrel & hit the guts with a spray cleaner. The TF is more involved there too. And if it ever breaks, if I leave it in a tub of salt water & acid for a year, HP will repair or replace it no questions, no charge, & throw in a couple of magazines as well. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.:celebrate
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    Fox has a story on the M4 v. the AK47....

    Personally I will take the AK 7 days a week and twice on Sunday's.....

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...d-afghanistan/
    I LOVE it! An M14EBR (Evil Black Rifle?) in 7.62. :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate


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    Gents, I am gratified and impressed by your reactions here.

    YOU guys understood what I was writing about, but over on The High Road, one of the moderators decided this column wasn't "gun related."

    Take a look:

    http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=418334


    Obviously, people here understand what they are reading;




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