DrTodd
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No, Grand Rapids (Kent County) does not
No, Grand Rapids (Kent County) does not
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What Should I Do to Prep to OC at U of M?
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fozzy71
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Glock9mmOldStyle
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Expert,
Your safest option is to do an "empty holster" event. This drives them nuts! But if they try to stop you it is a violation of your civil rights. If you need help, I would suggest you send a PM to:
JeffSayers (MOC President). He is always very helpful.
Or Venator, he is an almost limitless source of OC info.
I am a student also (local Comm. College) and empty holster is the only way to get your point across without the campus police arresting you. Be aware some staff may ask you to leave their class because you are causing a disturbance. I know it's a lame option but at this time it is your only safe way to go in my honest opinion.
Best regards,
- G9mmOS
Expert,
Your safest option is to do an "empty holster" event. This drives them nuts! But if they try to stop you it is a violation of your civil rights. If you need help, I would suggest you send a PM to:
JeffSayers (MOC President). He is always very helpful.
Or Venator, he is an almost limitless source of OC info.
I am a student also (local Comm. College) and empty holster is the only way to get your point across without the campus police arresting you. Be aware some staff may ask you to leave their class because you are causing a disturbance. I know it's a lame option but at this time it is your only safe way to go in my honest opinion.
Best regards,
- G9mmOS
Venator
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Bikenut wrote:
Actually I believe there is a section in the Michigan Constitution that allows Wayne State, UM and MSU to have plenary powers to conduct and enact certain laws.
As has been discussed to death this is a gray area and it seems no one on either side of the gun issue wants to push it. MSU feels that they would lose to preemption and have relaxed some of their ordinances to reflect that. UM states it will arrest you based on these powers.
There has been a law proposed (and stalled) that would pull in colleges under preemption. And of course there is one trying to get rid of the classroom and dorm ban.
We need to bring them unquestionably under preemption or get an AG opinion or a suit to decide this once and for all.
If you are a student you have to abide by the policy of the university or face disciplinary action up to expulsion.
Bikenut wrote:
Actually I believe there is a section in the Michigan Constitution that allows Wayne State, UM and MSU to have plenary powers to conduct and enact certain laws.
As has been discussed to death this is a gray area and it seems no one on either side of the gun issue wants to push it. MSU feels that they would lose to preemption and have relaxed some of their ordinances to reflect that. UM states it will arrest you based on these powers.
There has been a law proposed (and stalled) that would pull in colleges under preemption. And of course there is one trying to get rid of the classroom and dorm ban.
We need to bring them unquestionably under preemption or get an AG opinion or a suit to decide this once and for all.
If you are a student you have to abide by the policy of the university or face disciplinary action up to expulsion.
Savage.Detroit
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SuperSneakySteve wrote:
Unfortunately, Dearborn has a local knife ordinance so they were correct.
SuperSneakySteve wrote:
Unfortunately, Dearborn has a local knife ordinance so they were correct.
stainless1911
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You gotta love how a place like a college can set up its own laws, its own constitution, its own police force, and arrest you, in blatant violation of the US and MI constitutions, CPL laws, (and common sense), and yet it affects your criminal record and CPL status in the real world.
Whats really amazing, is that they are not explaining themselves in front of the supreme court.
You gotta love how a place like a college can set up its own laws, its own constitution, its own police force, and arrest you, in blatant violation of the US and MI constitutions, CPL laws, (and common sense), and yet it affects your criminal record and CPL status in the real world.
Whats really amazing, is that they are not explaining themselves in front of the supreme court.
mikestilly
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I went to U of M Dearborn for many years. I strongly suggest you read your student handbook and code of conduct. If you OC on campus you will definitely be expelled at the very least if caught. My opinion is OC'ing on campus especially as a student is extremely stupid and will only cause harsh penalties to be put upon you. Not that I agree with it.
Possession of Weapons on Campus Policy
Students
The following personal actions on University property or at official University functions shall be considered non-academic misconduct and be subject to disciplinary action: Use, possession, or storage of any weapon on University premises or at University-sponsored activities and events (unless approved by the Department of Public Safety; such approval will be given only in extraordinary circumstances). (1)
Students must also be familiar with Regent Ordinance Article X (Weapons) that also applies to possession of weapons on campus
http://www.umd.umich.edu/317101/
Article X: Weapons
Section 1. Scope of Article X
Article X applies to all property owned, leased or otherwise controlled by the
Regents of the University of MIchigan and applies regardless of whether the
Individual has a concealed weapons permit or is otherwise authorized by law to
possess, discharge, or use any device referenced below.
Section 2. Possession of Firearms, Dangerous Weapons and Knives
Except as otherwise provided in Section 4, no person shall, while on any property
owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the Regents of the University of
Michigan:
(1) possess any firearm or any other dangerous weapon as defined in or
interpreted under Michigan law or
(2) wear on his or her person or carry in his or her clothing any knife, sword or
machete having a blade longer than four (4) inches, or, in the case of a knife
with a mechanism to lock the blade in place when open, longer than three
(3) inches.
Section 3. Discharge or Use of Firearms, Dangerous Weapons and Knives
Except as otherwise provided in Section 4, no person shall discharge or otherwise
use any device listed in the preceding section on any property owned, leased, or
otherwise controlled by the Regents of the University of Michigan.
Section 5. Violation Penalty
A person who violates this Article X is guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon
conviction, punishable by imprisonment for not less than ten (10) days and no
more than sixty (60) days, or by a fine of not more than fifty dollars ($50.00) or
both.
http://www.regents.umich.edu/ordinance.pdf
I went to U of M Dearborn for many years. I strongly suggest you read your student handbook and code of conduct. If you OC on campus you will definitely be expelled at the very least if caught. My opinion is OC'ing on campus especially as a student is extremely stupid and will only cause harsh penalties to be put upon you. Not that I agree with it.
Possession of Weapons on Campus Policy
Students
The following personal actions on University property or at official University functions shall be considered non-academic misconduct and be subject to disciplinary action: Use, possession, or storage of any weapon on University premises or at University-sponsored activities and events (unless approved by the Department of Public Safety; such approval will be given only in extraordinary circumstances). (1)
Students must also be familiar with Regent Ordinance Article X (Weapons) that also applies to possession of weapons on campus
http://www.umd.umich.edu/317101/
Article X: Weapons
Section 1. Scope of Article X
Article X applies to all property owned, leased or otherwise controlled by the
Regents of the University of MIchigan and applies regardless of whether the
Individual has a concealed weapons permit or is otherwise authorized by law to
possess, discharge, or use any device referenced below.
Section 2. Possession of Firearms, Dangerous Weapons and Knives
Except as otherwise provided in Section 4, no person shall, while on any property
owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the Regents of the University of
Michigan:
(1) possess any firearm or any other dangerous weapon as defined in or
interpreted under Michigan law or
(2) wear on his or her person or carry in his or her clothing any knife, sword or
machete having a blade longer than four (4) inches, or, in the case of a knife
with a mechanism to lock the blade in place when open, longer than three
(3) inches.
Section 3. Discharge or Use of Firearms, Dangerous Weapons and Knives
Except as otherwise provided in Section 4, no person shall discharge or otherwise
use any device listed in the preceding section on any property owned, leased, or
otherwise controlled by the Regents of the University of Michigan.
Section 5. Violation Penalty
A person who violates this Article X is guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon
conviction, punishable by imprisonment for not less than ten (10) days and no
more than sixty (60) days, or by a fine of not more than fifty dollars ($50.00) or
both.
http://www.regents.umich.edu/ordinance.pdf
StingMP9
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I am a Dearborn Alumni and I can vouch for there no weapons policy. Of course it is a small campus and rather safe (seemingly, although you cannot defend yourselves.)
But I wished for the policy to go away when I attended because Wayne State had their on-campus rapist making the regions students wary of BGs.
That and I would have loved to have seen the look on a car thief's face if (1) I had appeared when someone tried to rip off my Chevelle from Dearborn's parking lot in front of the Engineering Complex in 1995 and if (2) I had been OCg back then.
As it was neither (1) nor (2) was happening at the time. Although I think they might have been spooked away by me or another student or faculty inadvertently. I was the first to find out about the attempted theft after Calc class. I did find my car almost stolen with the ignition column torn open and the 8-Track FM radio playing out loud. I only had the car a week when I found that a screwdriver can be used as a universal key $#!?
I am a Dearborn Alumni and I can vouch for there no weapons policy. Of course it is a small campus and rather safe (seemingly, although you cannot defend yourselves.)
But I wished for the policy to go away when I attended because Wayne State had their on-campus rapist making the regions students wary of BGs.
That and I would have loved to have seen the look on a car thief's face if (1) I had appeared when someone tried to rip off my Chevelle from Dearborn's parking lot in front of the Engineering Complex in 1995 and if (2) I had been OCg back then.
As it was neither (1) nor (2) was happening at the time. Although I think they might have been spooked away by me or another student or faculty inadvertently. I was the first to find out about the attempted theft after Calc class. I did find my car almost stolen with the ignition column torn open and the 8-Track FM radio playing out loud. I only had the car a week when I found that a screwdriver can be used as a universal key $#!?