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Thread: Was deprived of my right to carry outside of the Nelson County courthouse today.

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    Thanks for setting me straight gutshot.



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    Count me in! Definitely put them on the defense. Demand that they show you where within the law have they acted appropriately. Demand that they show you the KRS word for word and explain themselves. You, a law abiding citizen, should not have to bear the burden of proof. That job is for your oppressors.

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    langzaiguy wrote:
    Count me in! Definitely put them on the defense. Demand that they show you where within the law have they acted appropriately. Demand that they show you the KRS word for word and explain themselves. You, a law abiding citizen, should not have to bear the burden of proof. That job is for your oppressors.
    Awesome! Well that's one.

    Langzaiguy has to drive a hour and a half to Bardstown for such an event, hows that for some patriotism and conviction to your principles!

    Thanks for backing me up man.

    Who else?

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    gutshot wrote:
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    langzaiguy wrote:
    Count me in! Definitely put them on the defense. Demand that they show you where within the law have they acted appropriately. Demand that they show you the KRS word for word and explain themselves. You, a law abiding citizen, should not have to bear the burden of proof. That job is for your oppressors.
    Awesome! Well that's one.

    Langzaiguy has to drive a hour and a half to Bardstown for such an event, hows that for some patriotism and conviction to your principles!

    Thanks for backing me up man.

    Who else?

    I'll join in.
    That's three, I'll start a list.

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    I'm trying to find information on if a permit is needed for a public protest. Google isn't coming up with much, yet. I can start to make phone calls tomorrow but I don't want to get the run around, especially if I tell them what the protest is for.


    I will personally pay for the permit and refreshments for those that attend the event.

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    @Unfettered: Looks like they're right--it is illegal to carry guns in municipal buildings. Of course, that's an illegal ban. Looks like you got quite a lot on your plate now.

    http://www.cityofbardstown.org/ordin...mpsonLake.html

    Contact information for your officials:
    http://www.nelsoncountyky.com/html/fiscal_court.html


    Although how do we reconcile that with 130.08:
    http://www.cityofbardstown.org/ordin...ulations2.html

    Edit: My bad, apparently that's only buildings near the lake. Still, that seems illegal on their part.
    130.08 Seems to lawfully restrict CONCEALED weapons from municipal buildings. Nothing about OC. Carry on!

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    langzaiguy wrote:
    @Unfettered: Looks like they're right--it is illegal to carry guns in municipal buildings. Of course, that's an illegal ban. Looks like you got quite a lot on your plate now.

    http://www.cityofbardstown.org/ordin...mpsonLake.html

    Contact information for your officials:
    http://www.nelsoncountyky.com/html/fiscal_court.html


    Although how do we reconcile that with 130.08:
    http://www.cityofbardstown.org/ordin...ulations2.html

    Edit: My bad, apparently that's only buildings near the lake. Still, that seems illegal on their part.
    130.08 Seems to lawfully restrict CONCEALED weapons from municipal buildings. Nothing about OC. Carry on!
    That and I was outside the building.

    So I'm guessing I should email the County Judge Executive Dean Watts about this issue as well?

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    You know I'm in.

    I posted where I went in the LaRue court HOUSE and not a court room. It is legal to enter.

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    You know I'm in.

    I posted where I went in the LaRue court HOUSE and not a court room. It is legal to enter.
    See I knew someone here had done it, but like I said, what makes it even worse is I was outside the building on the side by the front doors.

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    I figure that after we get a decent list of participants(which even four is good), we all can determine a date and time that will work for all involved.

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    gutshot wrote:
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    langzaiguy wrote:
    @Unfettered: Looks like they're right--it is illegal to carry guns in municipal buildings. Of course, that's an illegal ban. Looks like you got quite a lot on your plate now.

    http://www.cityofbardstown.org/ordin...mpsonLake.html

    Contact information for your officials:
    http://www.nelsoncountyky.com/html/fiscal_court.html


    Although how do we reconcile that with 130.08:
    http://www.cityofbardstown.org/ordin...ulations2.html

    Edit: My bad, apparently that's only buildings near the lake. Still, that seems illegal on their part.
    130.08 Seems to lawfully restrict CONCEALED weapons from municipal buildings. Nothing about OC. Carry on!
    That and I was outside the building.

    So I'm guessing I should email the County Judge Executive Dean Watts about this issue as well?

    All of this applies to City of Bardstown, only. The county government is a separate entity. The courthouse is a county building. City laws don't apply even if the county building happens to be inside the city limits.

    See now this is where your knowledge in these affairs begins to exceed my own. Just like that one thread where you corrected me on some of the things I was saying. Yeah you had me lol. But I learned from it, so I appreciated it.

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    Boy if only those three LEOs knew what kind of problems they are about to bring down on Bardstown.

    I wouldn't have even pushed the issue if they had waited for me to come in and then tell me I had to take it back to my car. That's what happened at the Bullitt County Courthouse. But to act so aggressively and threaten to arrest me was just too much.

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    Just spoke with my landlord and he wants to come out as well so;

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    Oh, I would love to be a fly on the wall in the judge's chambers on this one.

    If I understand things correctly, deputies at the courthouse are under the judge as far as security goes. A letter to the judge would not be out of line.

    But, a bunch of OCers in frontof his courthouse when he comes to work would be even better. I can hear it now:

    Judge: "What in the hell is going on out there?"

    Bailiff: "Well, you honor. Jones and Simmons illegally stopped a citizen last week on your courthouse steps. Then Jones proceeded to search his pockets illegally. I think we got us a protest. I heard the press is on their way over."

    Judge: "[unprintable]!!!"





    Even better:

    Judge: "Sheriff Badgeflasher? This is Judge Gavelbanger at the courthouse."

    Sheriff: "Yes, your honor?"

    Judge: "I want Jones and Simmons transferred to Animal Control."
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Now that was funny, I'm still steamed over this and I needed a good laugh.

    Thanks Citizen, lol.

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    I'd be up for it.. however.. I have no car.. Is anyone else coming from the Louisville Area that I might catch a ride with?

    Also.. When's this shindig going down?

    -Adam

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    Kriegsammler wrote:
    I'd be up for it.. however.. I have no car.. Is anyone else coming from the Louisville Area that I might catch a ride with?

    Also.. When's this shindig going down?

    -Adam
    We'd love to have ya, hopefully something can be worked out.


    That's as yet to be determined. I'm looking to get at least 10 people and then find a good compromise on everyone's schedule and let that be it. Sometime next week maybe.

    I'll go ahead and add you to the list of attendees.

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    gutshot wrote:
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    I'd be up for it.. however.. I have no car.. Is anyone else coming from the Louisville Area that I might catch a ride with?

    Also.. When's this shindig going down?

    -Adam
    We'd love to have ya, hopefully something can be worked out.


    That's as yet to be determined. I'm looking to get at least 10 people and then find a good compromise on everyone's schedule and let that be it. Sometime next week maybe.

    I'll go ahead and add you to the list of attendees.

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    2) Langzaiguy
    3) Gutshot
    4) Mr Mitch
    5) Dennis
    6) Kriegsammler(needs ride)

    Let's make sure we're on a solid footing before we rush on down to Bardstown. I'm assuming that other county offices are in the courthouse. Is that right? I just sent an email to The mayor of Bardstown. I'll give time to read it in the morning then give him a call. What's wrong with the people in Nelson Co.?
    I completely agree gutshot, didn't mean for it to sound rushed.

    The court clerks are in there if they count. But I wasn't even in the building when this happened, I was standing outside.

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    I would be willing to attend.
    Speed is fine
    Accuracy is final

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    Thanks Hotrod

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    5) Dennis
    6) Kriegsammler(needs ride)
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    Why don't you guys see if you can get Old dog in the fight and/or KC3 (KY Coalition to Carry Concealed) involved in the matter?

    Yes, that would be the member who, in response to questions aboutsignage at the Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY airport, strongly defended KC3's stance on all matters related to gun rights in KY, then neither he nor KC3 acted.

    Maybe someone else can get them to actually match their words to actions.

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    gutshot wrote:
    I completely agree gutshot, didn't mean for it to sound rushed.

    The court clerks are in there if they count. But I wasn't even in the building when this happened, I was standing outside.

    I understand that you were outside. I'd just like to have a complete understanding of the situation. The Circuit Clerks office is part of the court system and guns can legally be excluded. What about Sheriff, County Attorney, County Clerk, PVA, any other county agencies, do any of them have offices in the courthouse. If the the Court of Justice takes up the entire courthouse they can prohibit guns in all of it, maybe even the steps and porches.
    Ok. I have read that before about the circuit clerk. I'm not sure about any other offices, but i will call the circuit clerk there tomorrow and ask what others are there. I'll get back to you.

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    BB62 wrote:
    Why don't you guys see if you can get Old dog in the fight and/or KC3 (KY Coalition to Carry Concealed) involved in the matter?

    Yes, that would be the member who, in response to questions aboutsignage at the Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY airport, strongly defended KC3's stance on all matters related to gun rights in KY, then neither he nor KC3 acted.

    Maybe someone else can get them to actually match their words to actions.
    Think I'd better get a couple things checked out a little more first, but it's a good idea.

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    one pulled his handcuffs out and threatened to arrest me if I didn't comply.
    Personally, I would have held out my two hands and said, go ahead. I have been threatened with a B.S. citation before and when I said go ahead and write it, that's when the cop told me I could go on my way. I would be on the courthouse steps with you, but KY is quite a bit of a trip for me :?
    Not when your two daughters, ages 2 and 4 are waiting in the car with your 75 year old grandmother and their mother isn't able to take them. We were going out to lunch after I paid my fine.

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    The court house is in the circle. Never been to the Justice building. Hmmmmmmm.....The pic is NOT the court house. Now I gotta do some research.:shock:

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    gutshot wrote:
    After several hours of internet searches I have become convinced that what Unfettered Might has called the Nelson County Courthouse is actually the Nelson County Justice Center. You can find it at

    http://courts.ky.gov/counties/nelson/

    This building is owned by and occupied
    solely by the Ky Court of Justice. No county offices are located in this building. The Co. Sheriff's office is nearby. County offices are primarily located at One Court Square with some at other locations around the county.
    All volunteers can stand down. The carrying of a firearm is legally prohibited on any and all parts of this property, including the "porch". Nobody was deprived of their rights. Unfettered is lucky he didn't go to jail. Those LEO's did him a big favor. As far as who didn't know the law in this situation I'll let you decide. Well, at least this brought to light the problems in Bardstown. I hope you can catch the mailman with that letter to the AG, Unfettered.
    Yes, that is the place. It's where I went to court for my traffic ticket so that's why I called it the courthouse.

    So the parking lot was ok, but once I stepped onto the grounds of the courthouse I couldn't have my firearm? Do I have that correct? Or is it the entire property including the parking lot?

    It's a lesson learned, the next time I'll research the location before I go. I slipped on realizing the property I was on, it won't happen again.

    Thanks for your help anyway guys, I screwed up this one.

    Thanks especially to you gutshot.



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