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'Open-carry' advocate must give up guns, UPI.com
- Thread starter Master Doug Huffman
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J.Gleason
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What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Innocent men have constitutional rights not to be infringed even by a judge.
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Innocent men have constitutional rights not to be infringed even by a judge.
Master Doug Huffman
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Master Doug Huffman
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http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/95019339.html
Last week, he was released on $100,000 cash bail, but prosecutors asked a judge this week to add the condition that Gonzalez not possess any dangerous weapons. The request did not indicate that Gonzalez had possessed guns after he was freed.
At a hearing Thursday before Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Kevin Martens, Gonzalez's attorney, Nelida Cortes, did not take a position on the request for the extra condition, and Martens added it, as well as a condition that Gonzalez not leave Wisconsin without the court's permission.
Martens also granted Assistant District Attorney Bill Molitor's request to extend an order that Corn have no contact with a couple who are relatives of the victims and possible witnesses in the case.
Don't miss the comments.
http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2009/SpBios.pdf
http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/95019339.html
Last week, he was released on $100,000 cash bail, but prosecutors asked a judge this week to add the condition that Gonzalez not possess any dangerous weapons. The request did not indicate that Gonzalez had possessed guns after he was freed.
At a hearing Thursday before Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Kevin Martens, Gonzalez's attorney, Nelida Cortes, did not take a position on the request for the extra condition, and Martens added it, as well as a condition that Gonzalez not leave Wisconsin without the court's permission.
Martens also granted Assistant District Attorney Bill Molitor's request to extend an order that Corn have no contact with a couple who are relatives of the victims and possible witnesses in the case.
Don't miss the comments.
http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2009/SpBios.pdf
LOERetired
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So, basically, if the family seeks revenge, Gonzalez is barred from protecting himself against such. I agree with J.Gleason[/b], what happened to “innocent until proven guilty? Innocent men have constitutional rights not to be infringed even by a judge”. I think his attorney should have objected to the decision.
Don
So, basically, if the family seeks revenge, Gonzalez is barred from protecting himself against such. I agree with J.Gleason[/b], what happened to “innocent until proven guilty? Innocent men have constitutional rights not to be infringed even by a judge”. I think his attorney should have objected to the decision.
Don
johnny amish
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I think we all know innocent until proven guilty is a bunch fairy tail bs in this country. How many innocent men and women are locked up because they did not have the money to hire Johnny Cochrane as their lawyer?
I think we all know innocent until proven guilty is a bunch fairy tail bs in this country. How many innocent men and women are locked up because they did not have the money to hire Johnny Cochrane as their lawyer?
AdamXD
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Although I disagree with the judge's decision, I understand why he made such a decision. Judges are supposed to be non-biased (even though that is rarely the case) and see the case from both the defendants as well as the prosecutes. That means the judge has to consider the unlikely possibility that this may have been a murder. Barring the right to carry a gun until the case is closed is a precautionary measure.
Unless this judge has a prior history of being biased to cases that involve guns or any other factors of this case, or he is directly asked why he made that decision, we can only assume that it is indeed a precautionary measure. I would have done the same if I were the judge.
Although I disagree with the judge's decision, I understand why he made such a decision. Judges are supposed to be non-biased (even though that is rarely the case) and see the case from both the defendants as well as the prosecutes. That means the judge has to consider the unlikely possibility that this may have been a murder. Barring the right to carry a gun until the case is closed is a precautionary measure.
Unless this judge has a prior history of being biased to cases that involve guns or any other factors of this case, or he is directly asked why he made that decision, we can only assume that it is indeed a precautionary measure. I would have done the same if I were the judge.
Doug Huffman
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail#Law_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Excessive_bail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excessive_bail
For y'alls enlightenment, based on the comments in the MJS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail#Law_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Excessive_bail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excessive_bail
For y'alls enlightenment, based on the comments in the MJS.
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McX
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nothing the courts, the cops, the criminals, and society likes more than an unarmed victim! or victim in waiting in this case.
nothing the courts, the cops, the criminals, and society likes more than an unarmed victim! or victim in waiting in this case.
johnny amish
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McX wrote:
McX wrote:
Sounds like an attempt at job security for the courts and cops.
minuteman
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His lawyer did not take a position against it? Whats up with that?
His lawyer did not take a position against it? Whats up with that?
johnny amish
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It would be nice to hear from Jesus on this whole issue. I'm sure it is in his best interest to keep quietan I am glad for that. We all hope this thing turns out good for Jesus.
It would be nice to hear from Jesus on this whole issue. I'm sure it is in his best interest to keep quietan I am glad for that. We all hope this thing turns out good for Jesus.
We-the-People
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minuteman wrote:
minuteman wrote:
Yeah what's up with that? The lawyer should have taken the position (unless it would have hurt his defense strategy) that Jesus would be vulnerable to a vigillante attack by friends of the perpetrater...ummm "poor hardworking victim".
paul@paul-fisher.com
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minuteman wrote:
Do we know this? Anyone seen the minutes of the hearing? From what I saw on WCCA the prosecution asked for a change of bail terms and the judge approved it. It doesn't show the actual arguments.
minuteman wrote:
Do we know this? Anyone seen the minutes of the hearing? From what I saw on WCCA the prosecution asked for a change of bail terms and the judge approved it. It doesn't show the actual arguments.
PT111
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paul@paul-fisher.com wrote:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/95019339.html
paul@paul-fisher.com wrote:
Not a transcript from the hearing but as reported:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/95019339.html
paul@paul-fisher.com
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Thank you. I did not see this.
Thank you. I did not see this.
Doug Huffman
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Ms. Cortes is with the State Public Defender's office and does not specialize in criminal defense law.
http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2009/SpBios.pdf
Ms. Cortes is with the State Public Defender's office and does not specialize in criminal defense law.
http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2009/SpBios.pdf
kwikrnu
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johnny amish wrote:
johnny amish wrote:
a lot
Doug Huffman
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johnny amish wrote:
johnny amish wrote:
So what of our correspondents here that would beard the LEO by flaunting the law?
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McX
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the insult is; the legal system counts on the defendant's weakness, inability to devote time, money, efforts, to mount an effective defense. the legal system doesn't seem interested in justice, and the prosecutors don't seem interested in building a factual case, just in seeing what slop they can piece together, what type of an effective smear they can mount, to futher shame an innocent citizen caught in the system.
the insult is; the legal system counts on the defendant's weakness, inability to devote time, money, efforts, to mount an effective defense. the legal system doesn't seem interested in justice, and the prosecutors don't seem interested in building a factual case, just in seeing what slop they can piece together, what type of an effective smear they can mount, to futher shame an innocent citizen caught in the system.