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I will try one more time, DUDE, and then I will stop.

Liberty increased under the new laws. Therefore, by the very definition of the word, the law is becoming more liberal. I am not arguing whether or not it should be law or unwritten rights. I am discussing the meaning of the word only.

B: The grass is not green.

A: The grass is green.

B: But, the cow has spots.

A: The grass is still green.

B: Dude, the cow has spots!

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I think he is saying that self-defense being the basis of the RKBA is a myth.  He contends that the basis is protection from tyranny.

I see the foundation as being varying manifestations of self-defense:

-- Defense of self against predatory animals

-- Defense of self against predatory people

-- Defense of self and community against foreign invaders

-- Defense of self and community against domestic tyrants

To me, it is all self-defense.

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I think he is saying that self-defense being the basis of the RKBA is a myth. He contends that the basis is protection from tyranny.

I see the foundation as being varying manifestations of self-defense:

-- Defense of self against predatory animals

-- Defense of self against predatory people

-- Defense of self and community against foreign invaders

-- Defense of self and community against domestic tyrants

To me, it is all self-defense.

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This is the way I look at it too. Defense of self against tyranny is just a permutation of the right of self-defense.

Enumerated as such in the Second Amendment because in the context of a foundational document, this is what they were thinking about, but it no way exclusive of, or superceding, the larger point, which is the defense of one's life, or the right to one's life.

Again, a right which exists prior to and supercedes any written document.

I wonder if you could go back and talk to those guys what they'd say about defense from criminals. I have always assumed that they would consider a thing "obvious."

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S.R.

I did no such thing. You cannot have a civil intellectual debate, so you resort to insulting someone with whom you think you disagree. (You don't.) This convo is not worth wasting time on.

Moving on.

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I think he is saying that self-defense being the basis of the RKBA is a myth. He contends that the basis is protection from tyranny.

I see the foundation as being varying manifestations of self-defense:

-- Defense of self against predatory animals

-- Defense of self against predatory people

-- Defense of self and community against foreign invaders

-- Defense of self and community against domestic tyrants

To me, it is all self-defense.

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You were educated in statist government schools, no doubt (as was tha author). You begin with the premise that the state 'allows', No... the state restricts or disallows. Think of it this way... what is not illegal... is legal... and therefore may be done w/o permission as a natural action.The STATE does not allow me to do anything... but it will restrict or deny by authority granted the state by the electorate.

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

You were educated in statist government schools, no doubt (as was tha author). You begin with the premise that the state 'allows', No... the state restricts or disallows. Think of it this way... what is not illegal... is legal... and therefore may be done w/o permission as a natural action.The STATE does not allow me to do anything... but it will restrict or deny by authority granted the state by the electorate.

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Try this: what was illegal, now isn't. The state did restrict and disallow; now it doesn't (or at least not as much, because there are still people and places that are off limits.)

That's the very definition of liberalizing a law.

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

You were educated in statist government schools, no doubt (as was tha author). You begin with the premise that the state 'allows', No... the state restricts or disallows. Think of it this way... what is not illegal... is legal... and therefore may be done w/o permission as a natural action.The STATE does not allow me to do anything... but it will restrict or deny by authority granted the state by the electorate.

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Try this: what was illegal, now isn't. The state did restrict and disallow; now it doesn't (or at least not as much, because there are still people and places that are off limits.)

That's the very definition of liberalizing a law.

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As usual... MEM is off his meds or on 'em... posting from his sandbagged bunker on stiltsdeep in the bayou.

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Now all we need is not to see NO FIREARMS SIGN everywhere. I never seen so many here in AZ. Yes you can carry a firearm but where do you carry it to.

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Come To the Valley (PHX) and open your eyes

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Don't need to...it seem you get upset over other views here. Are you the police of the board?
I don't readily suffer juvenile fools such as you. Your type is never satisfied. I have little patience with whiners.

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Don't need to...it seem you get upset over other views here. Are you the police of the board?
I don't readily suffer juvenile fools such as you. Your type is never satisfied. I have little patience with whiners.

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I am no fool, but you seem nottolike other peoples views...so you are the one that is not satified with any views on this board. So I have little patiences for you. Really your are boring me with your BS

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Don't need to...it seem you get upset over other views here. Are you the police of the board?
I don't readily suffer juvenile fools such as you. Your type is never satisfied. I have little patience with whiners.

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 I am no fool, but you seem not to like other peoples views...so you are the one that is not satified with any views on this board. So I have little patiences for you. Really your are boring me with your BS

 

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Great, then leave. Stay in your own yard.

And close the back gate on the way out...:cuss:

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