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    There is no law against possession of firearms in a casino, be it Concealed or Open. Some casino's may ask you to leave if they discover that you are armed, if you do not, you are guilty only of trespassing.
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    well if the post a no firearms notice or metal detector at EVERY public entrance it makes your ccw per mit null and void for that property not sure about oc



    Prohibited Locations

    • A permit holder must NOT carry a concealed firearm into:
    • Any facility of a law enforcement agency.
    • A prison, city or county jail, or detention facility.
    • A courthouse or courtroom.
    • A public airport and/or a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.
    • A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance.
    • A public building that has a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building.
    • Any facility of a public or private school without written permission.
    • Any facility of a vocational/technical school, or the University of Nevada, or Community College System without written permission.
    • Any other building owned or occupied by the Federal Government, the state, or local government.
    • Any other place where carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited by state or federal law.

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    202.3673 only applies to public buildings, which are defined as government buildings.

    A casino is not a government building and therefore 202.3673 is inapplicable.

    Private property could post signs at every public entrance banning the carry of firearms but they have no more legal weight to make firearms illegal than signs posted at every public entrance saying "shoes required" makes it illegal to go barefoot.


    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-2...#NRS202Sec3673

    (b) “Public building” means any building or office space occupied by:
    (1) Any component of the Nevada System of Higher Education and used for any purpose related to the System; or
    (2) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose.

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    Wrong. A casino is not a public owned building it is pvt biz. Signs mean nothing on a pvt biz in Nevada.

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    this is where people get confused. Public building is not the same as a building open to the public. A casino is a Privately owned business open to the public. Their "no firearms" signs mean nothing. This does not mean that you can not be asked to leave, as they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it does not discriminate against a protected class.

    As much as I hate that we, as firearms owners are not a protected class, private business owners still have the right to discriminate against us.
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    Nevada carrier wrote:
    this is where people get confused. Public building is not the same as a building open to the public. A casino is a Privately owned business open to the public. Their "no firearms" signs mean nothing. This does not mean that you can not be asked to leave, as they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it does not discriminate against a protected class.

    As much as I hate that we, as firearms owners are not a protected class, private business owners still have the right to discriminate against us.
    whats a protected class?

    and i was in terribles town and there was a small sign that said no weapons

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    erichonda30 wrote:
    whats a protected class?

    and i was in terribles town and there was a small sign that said no weapons
    Protected class is a term used in United States anti-discrimination law. The term describes groups of people who are protected from discrimination and harassment. The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" and persons cannot be discriminated against based on these characteristics:
    Race - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Civil Rights Act of 1866
    Color - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
    Religion - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
    National origin - Federal: Civil Rights Act of 1964
    Age (40 and over) - Federal: Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
    Sex - Federal: Equal Pay Act of 1963 & Civil Rights Act of 1964
    Familial status (Housing, cannot discriminate for having children, exception for senior housing)
    Sexual orientation (in some jurisdictions and not in others)
    Gender identity (in some jurisdictions and not in others)
    Disability status - Federal: Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 & Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
    Veteran status - Federal Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974
    Genetic Information - Federal: Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
    Terrible's can post a sign all they want, there is no crime committed by an individual on the sole basis that they carried a firearm on their property unless they refuse to leave upon demand... at which point they would be guilty only of trespassing.
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    whats the penalty for trespassing do i get to get tasered and piss my self

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    Trespassing is a misdemeanor offense, typically.

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-2...l#NRS207Sec200

    NRS 207.200 Unlawful trespass upon land; warning against trespassing.
    1. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:
    (a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or
    (b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,
    Ê is guilty of a misdemeanor. The meaning of this subsection is not limited by subsections 2 and 4.
    2. A sufficient warning against trespassing, within the meaning of this section, is given by any of the following methods:
    (a) If the land is used for agricultural purposes or for herding or grazing livestock, by painting with fluorescent orange paint:
    (1) Not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:
    (I) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 1,000 feet; and
    (II) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary; and
    (2) Each side of all gates, cattle guards and openings that are designed to allow human ingress to the area;
    (b) If the land is not used in the manner specified in paragraph (a), by painting with fluorescent orange paint not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:
    (1) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 200 feet; and
    (2) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary;
    (c) Fencing the area; or
    (d) By the owner or occupant of the land or building making an oral or written demand to any guest to vacate the land or building.
    3. It is prima facie evidence of trespass for any person to be found on private or public property which is posted or fenced as provided in subsection 2 without lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property.
    4. An entryman on land under the laws of the United States is an owner within the meaning of this section.
    5. As used in this section:
    (a) “Fence” means a barrier sufficient to indicate an intent to restrict the area to human ingress, including, but not limited to, a wall, hedge or chain link or wire mesh fence. The term does not include a barrier made of barbed wire.
    (b) “Guest” means any person entertained or to whom hospitality is extended, including, but not limited to, any person who stays overnight. The term does not include a tenant as defined in NRS 118A.170.
    [1911 C&P § 500; RL § 6765; NCL § 10447]—(NRS A 1969, 96; 1975, 1169; 1987, 2086; 1989, 997; 2005, 930; 2007, 981; 2009, 141)

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    erichonda30 wrote:
    whats the penalty for trespassing do i get to get tasered and piss my self
    NRS 207.200 Unlawful trespass upon land; warning against trespassing.
    1. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:
    (a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or
    (b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,
    Ê is guilty of a misdemeanor. The meaning of this subsection is not limited by subsections 2 and 4.
    2. A sufficient warning against trespassing, within the meaning of this section, is given by any of the following methods:
    (a) If the land is used for agricultural purposes or for herding or grazing livestock, by painting with fluorescent orange paint:
    (1) Not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:
    (I) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 1,000 feet; and
    (II) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary; and
    (2) Each side of all gates, cattle guards and openings that are designed to allow human ingress to the area;
    (b) If the land is not used in the manner specified in paragraph (a), by painting with fluorescent orange paint not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:
    (1) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 200 feet; and
    (2) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary;
    (c) Fencing the area; or
    (d) By the owner or occupant of the land or building making an oral or written demand to any guest to vacate the land or building.
    3. It is prima facie evidence of trespass for any person to be found on private or public property which is posted or fenced as provided in subsection 2 without lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property.
    4. An entryman on land under the laws of the United States is an owner within the meaning of this section.
    5. As used in this section:
    (a) “Fence” means a barrier sufficient to indicate an intent to restrict the area to human ingress, including, but not limited to, a wall, hedge or chain link or wire mesh fence. The term does not include a barrier made of barbed wire.
    (b) “Guest” means any person entertained or to whom hospitality is extended, including, but not limited to, any person who stays overnight. The term does not include a tenant as defined in NRS 118A.170.
    [1911 C&P § 500; RL § 6765; NCL § 10447]—(NRS A 1969, 96; 1975, 1169; 1987, 2086; 1989, 997; 2005, 930; 2007, 981; 2009, 141)
    You could recieve for conviction of a misdemeanor a penalty up to the following:

    Misdemeanor—Fine of not more than $1,000 or imprisonment in county jail for not more than 6 months, or both a fine and imprisonment, unless the statute defining the crime prescribes a different penalty.

    Source: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/lcb/research/PandPReports/27-CJ(PtI).pdf

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    Most all businesses do not want negative attention and will give a customer ample chances to leave or comply with whatever the rule they are asking a person to follow. Working occasional in Las Vegas, as an employee for a business I personally had persons trespassed. Never for an open carry issue. Metro says we have to give them one warning of the possibility of being trespassed. There is an NRS that covers that. Those that end up trespassed almost have to be on a mission to be successfully trespassed. I never worry about carrying a gun past a no gun sign at a business. For the most part, I do not give them my money. There is the occasional times for whatever reason I will go into a posted business and will carry concealed if I am with friends or family and do not want to cause an issue. From reading several posts on this site, it is my opinion if you are asked to leave make sure right up front they know for sure you plan on complying. This might buy you a little time to try to educate them making sure to reinforce you plan to comply. If the business gets pissed and makes a call to the law, saying there is a person with a gun and he will not leave. It will get elevated into what looks at first a lot more serious issue than trespassing. Once the law checks out the situation and determines all is legal, your day will have been messed up.

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