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    Where does all the money go out of that $105 you pay for a permit?

    i had to ask because if anything it helps nevada.

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    end of the month pizza party for metro.

    they figured if were desperate enough to go through hoops to hide our stuff they might as well slap a price tag on it.

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    im getting mine in nye county i guess its still 105

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    Many still charge $105.

    And some have actually lowered to the cost to $100.25 - due to a decrease in the cost to process fingerprints.

    Out of that sum, $60 goes to the sheriff to process the application. $40.25 (or $45) goes to the NHP for fingerprint processing.

    ALL should lower the cost to $100.25. The way I see it. By law, the sheriff cannot charge more than $60. And the cost of fingerprints is to be passed on:

    From: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-2...#NRS202Sec3653
    (h) A nonrefundable fee in the amount necessary to obtain the report required pursuant to subsection 1 of NRS 202.366[http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-2...l#NRS202Sec366]; and
    (i) A nonrefundable fee set by the sheriff not to exceed $60.
    So, in effect, some sheriffs charge $4.75 more than necessary and are "making a profit" not authorized by law. A big deal? Maybe not, but ...

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    Just what Varminter said BUT

    I wonder how much of that $60 is really needed to "process" the permit. I've always wondered where the money goes to but really if I go in and use an hour of there time at an average of $20 an hour wages and $5 worth of paper supplies and say the computer systems software upgrades electricity cameras etc were another cost of $20 per applicant (this of course is divided by thousands of applicants BUT) that leaves about $15. Do they put that in the sheriffs lunch fund? :P

    I have a good relationship with the CCW unit here in Washoe but the $60 goes to what exactly?

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    This is exactly what I argue against when they go to the legislature hat in hand asking for more money in ccw fees. Just because some departments (read: METRO) have union employees who negotiated some ridiculous salary doesn't mean we need to bear the full cost. This is what's got that whole ******* match over the NICS exemption started. They wanted to raise ccw fees, Leg said no, Sheriff's said fine we won't run the extra immigration check needed to qualify for the exemption and you can eat the extra $25 every time you buy a gun.

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    Or just can the POC status of this state and go straight to the FEDS. I never paid a background check before moving here. Isn't just a TAX to exercise a right? Both ways?

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    gunrunner & jpa: Excellent points.

    When the NSCA introduced AB-21 in the 2007 legislative session, they wanted to increase the sheriffs fee from $60 to $125 (intial permit app) and from $25 to $125 (renewal app.) It was widely said this largely came at the insistance of the Clark County Sheriff.

    I/we fought that all the way.

    Testimony was introduced (by the NRA, if I recall correctly), quoting the Utah figures for processing a CCW application - $31. Yep, only $31.

    That prompted one legislator (sitting on the Judiciary Cmte) to inquire of the NSCA if Nevada sheriffs perhap(s) is/are not very efficient! I got a chuckly out of that.

    In fairness to many Nevada sheriffs, NOT all sheriffs wanted the fee increase.

    The NSCA actually proposed a compromise - to leave the initial app fee at $60 and to increase the renewal app fee from $25 to $60. I (reluctantly) agreed to that - because wewould have maintained the NICS exemption. But the Assembly Judiciary Cmte voted it down - presumably/reportedly because ofthe Governor's pledge to veto ANY fee/tax increases.

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    We really could or already have built a 10 page ormore thread around this subject. Theres just so much wrong with the whole system. The Section 11Blog really did a great job of disecting the last big legislative session dealing with guns in 07. It's no longer updated but certainly worth reading .

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    varminter22 wrote:
    gunrunner & jpa: Excellent points.

    When the NSCA introduced AB-21 in the 2007 legislative session, they wanted to increase the sheriffs fee from $60 to $125 (intial permit app) and from $25 to $125 (renewal app.) It was widely said this largely came at the insistance of the Clark County Sheriff.

    I/we fought that all the way.

    Testimony was introduced (by the NRA, if I recall correctly), quoting the Utah figures for processing a CCW application - $31. Yep, only $31.

    That prompted one legislator (sitting on the Judiciary Cmte) to inquire of the NSCA if Nevada sheriffs perhap(s) is/are not very efficient! I got a chuckly out of that.

    In fairness to many Nevada sheriffs, NOT all sheriffs wanted the fee increase.

    The NSCA actually proposed a compromise - to leave the initial app fee at $60 and to increase the renewal app fee from $25 to $60. I (reluctantly) agreed to that - because wewould have maintained the NICS exemption. But the Assembly Judiciary Cmte voted it down - presumably/reportedly because ofthe Governor's pledge to veto ANY fee/tax increases.
    utah $31

    Florida ?


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    erichonda30 wrote:
    utah $31

    Florida ?
    I would like to know what the actual cost for them to process it is because:
    Utah Still charges $65.25
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    Florida still charges $117


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    Sorry, I do not have that data for all states.

    I can tell you that some Nevada sheriffs indicated they were NOT losing money at the current $60 fee. Others claimed they were.

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    Yes, Florida is 117......75for permit and 42 for fingerprint processing....I just applied. It's getting pretty expensive to travel the country and stay legal.

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    To add to the list NH non resident went from $20 to $100.

    I guess it's just another case of some "Gubment pin head" figuring out what was popular and finding a way to tax it.

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    i asked candidate bisch about this and she told me she didnt know where that money goes but would look into it. I also asked her what she thought of the money going to putting ar 15's in every metro police car and she thought that was a great idea if the funds could be re directed from where they are currently going.

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    LvstudentDoc wrote:
    i asked candidate bisch about this and she told me she didnt know where that money goes but would look into it. I also asked her what she thought of the money going to putting ar 15's in every metro police car and she thought that was a great idea if the funds could be re directed from where they are currently going.
    $60 goes to the sheriff to process the application. $40.25 (or $45) goes to the NHP for fingerprint processing.

    The current Clark Count Sheriff says it cost more to process an intial application. Some sheriffs say it cost a bit less and some say it cost a bit more to process them.

    Virtually all sheriffs would say it cost more than $25 to process renewal applications.

    There is no stated exact cost of processing applications. Each sheriff would come up with a different figure.

    One does wonder, however, why it cost $40.25 to process fingerprints.

    And speaking of fingerprints, one might wonder why we pay! Criminal suspects are not charged for their fingerprints!

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    Doesn't it always cost the tax payers? Theres a billion ways to go with this but......

    Really do the police make us money as a state or county? No they cost us we pay as a taxpayer for their services not everyone drives or actually has police around to protect them,not everyone is a sex offender but we pay to register them. So why are they complaining when it COSTS to do CCW. When did the police become a for profit entity of the city county state? Having cars driving around costs gas money are we to start charging for the dispatch of an officer to your location. We all pay for all services no matter what and yet we get charged for CCWs work permits for certain industries etc.

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    It doesn't have to cost the state anything, if they would just let us carry concealed without needing a permit.

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    Felid`Maximus wrote:
    It doesn't have to cost the state anything, if they would just let us carry concealed without needing a permit.
    You mean "Constitutional Carry" like Arizona, Alaska and Vermont??

    There is a reason they call it "Constitutional Carry" (read "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED") - I wish someone would have asked the Sheriff candidates what their thought on that was at the debate!!!




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    I firmly believe Constitutional Carry should be our goal. In our current political climate it probably will not be easy. But should be our long term goal.

    Actually, I spoke with one Assemblyman about it; he indicated interest, but much remains to be seen.



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    again with the sheriff candidates almost all of them except for the current sheriff were in favor of concealed carry without a permit and open carry as well. I also support this, but my only concern is what happens with a gangbanger over 21 that has a weapon? Currently he would get arrested even if he didnt have a record, which would be good. Of course if it was a felon with a weapon he would be screwed if we enforced the law firmly, but we need some way to still charge them with carrying a weapon so we cancharge them even if it wasnt used in a crime. Maybe charge them if they are a known gangmember or something.Maybe we could still require a permit card, but get rid of the qualification, classes etc...? what does everyone else think?

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    LvstudentDoc wrote:
    again with the sheriff candidates almost all of them except for the current sheriff were in favor of concealed carry without a permit and open carry as well. I also support this, but my only concern is what happens with a gangbanger over 21 that has a weapon? Currently he would get arrested even if he didnt have a record, which would be good. Of course if it was a felon with a weapon he would be screwed if we enforced the law firmly, but we need some way to still charge them with carrying a weapon so we cancharge them even if it wasnt used in a crime. Maybe charge them if they are a known gangmember or something.Maybe we could still require a permit card, but get rid of the qualification, classes etc...? what does everyone else think?
    If the gangbanger that is over 21 has no record, then he should not get arrested any more than you or I should... Gangbanger or not... If there is no law broken nobody should be arrested.

    In my CCW Class there were two admitted gangbangers (I talked to them on break) and guess what they got CCWs the same way I did, because they had no records... They told me and others that they were in a gang, and were getting their CCWs so they could be "legally strapped in LV".

    Now were they really gangbangers? I don't know they could have been, they fit the "profile" but with no records they were not yet defined by law as criminals... Unfortunately by keeping our rights we will inherantly give up a bit of what the government and sheep see as increased safety. In reality if a gangbanger is going to carry a gun he is going to if there is a law or not, they do now so what is the difference? The difference is that those of us that are law abiding citizens have to pay $100.25 and jump through hoops so we can exercise our right to carry a gun... It does not stop current gangbangers from carrying anyway...:?

    My understanding is, with the current law if you have a CCW and were driving down the street in your car with your girlfriend who does not have a CCW and your gun was in the glove box, she could be arrested for posesion of a concealed weapon without a permit... (I don't know exactly what wording is of what she would be charged with but this is the general idea)

    I disagree with ANY registration or ANY type of permit being required...

    The 2nd Amendment says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" there is no "except" in there.
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    no doubt, but you could see where i am coming from. I guess if they are stupid they can just kill another gangmember, shoot their own dick off grabbing it out of their waistband or whatnot. HOpefully if they did a crime while armed a citizen would smoke them. Oh well we will see what happens in the future.

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    Very, VERY well said, SCJeffro.

    Vermont and Alaska (and now Arizona) have large cities, crime, etc - and they have Consitutional Carry. Have you EVER heard of 'problems' in those states? Don't you think the (largely) anti-gun media would be broadcasting 'problems' night and day, every three minutes, IF there were problems with Constitutional Carry in those states.

    And always remember, as Benjamin Franklin isoften quoted as saying:


    Those whowould give up Essential Liberty
    to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
    deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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    varminter22 wrote:
    Many still charge $105.

    And some have actually lowered to the cost to $100.25 - due to a decrease in the cost to process fingerprints.

    Out of that sum, $60 goes to the sheriff to process the application. $40.25 (or $45) goes to the NHP for fingerprint processing.

    ALL should lower the cost to $100.25. The way I see it. By law, the sheriff cannot charge more than $60. And the cost of fingerprints is to be passed on:

    From: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-2...#NRS202Sec3653
    (h) A nonrefundable fee in the amount necessary to obtain the report required pursuant to subsection 1 of NRS 202.366[http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-2...l#NRS202Sec366]; and
    (i) A nonrefundable fee set by the sheriff not to exceed $60.
    So, in effect, some sheriffs charge $4.75 more than necessary and are "making a profit" not authorized by law. A big deal? Maybe not, but ...
    If/when your sheriff charges $45 for fingerprints, ask him why he doesn't lower the fee to $40.25.

    Direct him to the Nevada Dept of Public Safety website (http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/fees.shtml) where you will find the "live scan" fingerprint fee is $40.25.

    I do not know if every sheriff has the "live scan" technology in place, but I know many have it.


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