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Camera's are the new guns??

cscitney87

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"When the police act as though cameras were the equivalent of guns pointed at them, there is a sense in which they are correct. Cameras have become the most effective weapon that ordinary people have to protect against and to expose police abuse. And the police want it to stop. Happily, even as the practice of arresting "shooters" expands, there are signs of effective backlash."

Nothing new here.. Moving on. Thanks for the link and article.

2 party staters should collect outside police stations pointing cameras that are Turned Off. The equivalent to our empty holster or banana in holster rallies.

Banana in a holster- under a shirt- sure Does look like a pistol by the way. haha :celebrate
 

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The interesting thing about this article is the title, and all that it REALLY means...

LEO's are being trained (and supported by the courts) that a person with a video camera is AS MUCH A THREAT to "officer safety as a person with a gun.

That, people, is a VERY scary thing...

When public officials start to view the presence of video equipment as being JUST AS MUCH A THREAT as the presence of a gun, it makes a VERY powerful statement about the overall attitudes of LEAs toward the citizenry. It says that they view EVERYONE as the enemy, and that ANYONE who is trying to document their actions is assumed to be engaged in HOSTILE ACTIVITY.

These laws need to be changed.

It's OK for states and municipalities to mount surveillance cameras on every light pole. It's OK for the police to use dashcams to document their actions when it suits them. IT's also OK for these dashcams and pole mounted cameras to almost ALWAYS--in every case of questionable police activity--be found to be "non operational" and the video collected by the state is conveniently unavailable.

Ask John McKenna how he feels about MD's oppressive, unconstitutional "wiretapping" laws. If a citizen had not taped his beating at the hands of PG County police, that story would have played out a LOT differently....
 

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All you've heard in the previous 10 years anyway is "Turn that off!" from anything in a uniform with perceived or true authority. Ugh it's like the paparazzi on famous people though in a sense hahaha only reversed.
 

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"Since the police do not consent, the camera-wielder can be arrested. Most all-party-consent states also include an exception for recording in public places where "no expectation of privacy exists" (Illinois does not) but in practice this exception is not being recognized."

Odd. I'm not sure an on-duty police officer has the right NOT to consent. He is not acting as a private citizen at the time. Everything he does, is by law a matter of public record.

And this all-party consent is bull@#$%. If you do something within eyeshot / earshot of me than as long as I'm there legally, I should be able to record everything I see/hear all the time.

These laws definitely need to be overturned. Immediately.

The next person in these states, to get pulled over by a cop with a dashcam, should file charges immediately against the officer for wiretapping.
 

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Dreamer wrote:
The interesting thing about this article is the title, and all that it REALLY means...

LEO's are being trained (and supported by the courts) that a person with a video camera is AS MUCH A THREAT to "officer safety as a person with a gun.

If that's the case, and pointing a camera is considered just as much a threat as pointing a gun, then what's the incentive not to point a gun?

They are making peaceful revolution impossible. And we all know what that means.
 

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simmonsjoe wrote:
The next person in these states, to get pulled over by a cop with a dashcam, should file charges immediately against the officer for wiretapping.
OK, here's the problem. In states like MD, where they have VERY strict 2-part-consent laws, and even stricter laws prohibiting the video taping of police, they have written EXPLICIT exemptions into the wiretapping laws that exempt police activities, surveillance, and dashcams.

When the criminals are writing the laws, the laws are a crime.

Maryland is not a state. It is a large-scale criminal enterprise. Someone needs to start filing RICO charges against the MSP, the MD AG, and the General Assembly....

Where is Andrew Napolitano (perhaps the ONLY honest Federal judge from NJ in the last half-century) when you REALLY need him?...
 

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Well Mr Honda, I suppose they would first have to somehow KNOW that it's a camera.

Were you to look at the link, you would realize that this would be quite the feat.
 

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The problem with spy cameras is that once you post your little video on youtube you are asking for a jackie party to crash your front door with a warrant and have your home ransacked.
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
The problem with spy cameras is that once you post your little video on youtube you are asking for a jackie party to crash your front door with a warrant and have your home ransacked.
Fortunately, not in Ohio.

A cop in Akron tried that. He ended up taking a little unpaid vacation:

http://www.ci.akron.oh.us/news_releases/Display.asp?RecNum=111

And that's not counting the civil suit...
 
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