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    Sprinklerguy28 and I were in Marysville after shooting at the Bluewater Sportsmans Club. We ended up at the Marysville City Park which had a fair going. We walked through with no issues until we started to head back out. We were then approached by 3 officers, one out of uniform. He ID himself as Assistant Chief Buckmaster. He tells us we have to remove our firearms or leave the park. Then he illegaly threatened us with arrest for Disorderly conduct. When asked be me if he was just going to make that up, he clearly replies "yes". Copies of this audio have been delivered to each Marysville City councilman and the police Chief. This step was done only after I spoke with Chief Buelow the next morning. Although he agreed no laws were broken and a memo would go out concerning OC, I felt Asst. Chief Buckmaster owed us an apology and some sort of punishment for his clear disregard for the law. When delivering this to the Chief, we asked to file a formal complaint to which we were told "we don't have any forms". I demanded to have Chief Buelow called so I could speak with him. When he didn't answer the call, I asked to be called at his earliest convenience. This was 2 days ago. Not being able to file a complaint against a police officer is a very big deal. This is by no means over with.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqNXbqwnvuY

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    "So sue me" I would....what a *****!!!

    Oh wow, he needs a swift kick in the @$$

    So even if he seen your ID you wouldnt be able to carry.....i think someones trying to make themselves look cool, and its not the people following the law...
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    WOW. That is absolutely ridiculous!

    I'm glad you both stood your ground against that power tripping cop and are following up accordingly. Please keep us up to date.
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    Why did you leave instead of standing your ground?

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    bump
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    why did you guys leave, makes it look like you guys were wrong and now you let them have their way so he will just do it again to someone else.
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    I would have left also...fight the battle...not the WAR....

    The LEO were clearly wrong....now it can be handeled on THEIR terms....the LAW which they are sworn to uphold...

    Great experience for all of us...the way I see it...

    Thank you for sharing!!!

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    Marysville is EXTREMELY anti-OC.

    I remember a year ago or so, when a police officer grabbed onto a man's holstered firearm and tried to yank it out of it's holster with the man's child standing right next to him.

    This happened in Marysville Meijer.


    We need to have a picnic here. Good luck filing a complaint guys. File ANOTHER complaint with the MSP, and since he verbally even stated that he would make up 'disorderly conduct' on you, file ANOTHER complaint with the FBI for using his badge to disrupt the color of law, which as you probably know, is a felony.



    If it makes you guys feel better, I would have left too, but I'd be DAMN SURE to take that man's job with me.

    Edited to mention: Be sure to post this on MGO. There are a lot of OCers there that should hear this as well. This kind of BS shouldn't be tolerated.

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    detroit_fan wrote:
    why did you guys leave, makes it look like you guys were wrong and now you let them have their way so he will just do it again to someone else.
    We made the choice to not get arrested. It was clearly up to us. All we had to do was refuse to leave. I'll look forward to you posting the experience where you CHOSE to get arrested. We pushed hard enough in our view. Trust me, we are not done with this situation. I am very aware of Color of Law and Title 42, U.S.C., Section 14141. The City of Marysville is as well.

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    detroit_fan wrote:
    why did you guys leave . . .
    To anyone who is asking "why did you leave?":as Mike Stollenwerk very correctly advises, it is in your best interests to be in control oflegal processes.

    If you "stand your ground" andyou get arrested, you may very well prevail but you are not in control of the legal process.

    If you leave under duress from someone acting under color of lawandyou then pursueany criminal or civilcomplaints whichmay apply,you are in control of the legal process.

    Perhaps Mike can explain this more in depth, but the OC'ers who left did the right thing. Theyretain control of any legal process arising from this incident, and that is what you want to do.
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    @3:59.... Is that the cop yelling "********!" or am I confusing another voice in the discussion?

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    Phssthpok wrote:
    @3:59.... Is that the cop yelling "Bull@#$%!" or am I confusing another voice in the discussion?


    Yup, that's Buckmaster.

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    wow. this made me mad and i used to be LEO. i couldn't even listen to it all at one time. had to do it in sections. i was yelling at my computer. neighbors probably thought i was in a domestic dispute.
    handled well guys. loved the 'if i show you my ID can we stay?' "NO" 'then what's the difference?'
    can't wait to hear the outcome. don't leave us with a cliffhanger. i would suggest finding the local paper and writing an editorial on that including the audio youtube link. hit em hard guys. you already know that the complaint to their department is headed for the paper shredder but it will show that you did attempt it. they will probably give you the 'we will investigate this blah blah. we take this seriously blah blah'. can't deny the audio. these actions under color of law are felonies. officers standing there and not preventing it are also equally guilty by omission.

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    So when's the gathering, i'll go to this one

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    choover wrote:
    So when's the gathering, i'll go to this one
    Count me in!

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    Tagging to follow. Near my hometown! This is excitin'! So... are you pursuing color of law?

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    scot623 wrote:
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    why did you guys leave, makes it look like you guys were wrong and now you let them have their way so he will just do it again to someone else.
    We pushed hard enough in our view. Trust me, we are not done with this situation. I am very aware of Color of Law and Title 42, U.S.C., Section 14141. The City of Marysville is as well.
    Yes, you certainly did, I think you did very well and went further than I might have been willing to go actually.

    While it might seem LEO bashing, its not, those guys sounded a couple of steps from a full beat down out of control. When an officers is threatening charges and indicates he does not care if the charges are legitimate, he is beyond control enough it is time to become nothing more than a good witness and get other agencies involved such as you said, the state police.

    Good Job and sorry you were treated so poorly.
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    MSP and Sheriff were both called that night. MSP was requested to come to the scene. We were both afraid of an illegal traffic stop if we tried to drive away or possibly an assault. MSP could not provide a trooper in a timely fashion. Luckily, we made it out of town.

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    Golly, but your state's website is a pain to navigate, but DING DING DING!!...we have a WINNER! Lessee just how many crimes I can find that he committed.

    Upholding or enforcing the law; duty of public officials. Not much of a Penalty, though I suppose you could pigyback Willful neglect of duty; public officer or person holding public trust or employment; penalty.:?

    "...We were then approached by 3 officers, one out of uniform..."
    And the other two were aware of Buckmaster's actions,but never stepped in against him? Sounds like Conspiracy to commit offense or legal act in illegal manner; penalty to me.


    There's several others that would be applicable had you stood your ground and he actually arrested you, but since that is not the case.....




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    You guys stood your ground very well. I am not sure I could/would have stayed that long or done that well.

    The Marysville Police were completely out of bounds here. In addition to willingness to falsify charges and removing you from Public Grounds without lawful reason, they did help to escalate the situation with themselves actually acting disorderly.

    May the full force of law fall upon them.
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    sent this to the chief


    Over the weekend a few law abiding gun owners were harassed and threatened with arrest, knowingly in violation of the law.

    I was absolutely heartbroken to find out that one of these officers was not only an officer of the law, but the Asst. Police Chief!

    Is corruption overtaking your town, or is this situation being handled?

    Here is a list of laws I believe were broken, and will be doing some citizen investigating into this further, your response would be greatly appriciated.

    752.11 Upholding or enforcing the law; duty of public officials.
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    Any public official, appointed or elected, who is responsible for enforcing or upholding any law of this state and who wilfully and knowingly fails to uphold or enforce the law with the result that any person's legal rights are denied is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    750.478 Willful neglect of duty; public officer or person holding public trust or employment; penalty.
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    When any duty is or shall be enjoined by law upon any public officer, or upon any person holding any public trust or employment, every willful neglect to perform such duty, where no special provision shall have been made for the punishment of such delinquency, constitutes a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $1,000.00.

    "...We were then approached by 3 officers, one out of uniform..." And the other two were aware of Buckmaster's actions,but never stepped in against him? Sounds like this to me,

    750.157a Conspiracy to commit offense or legal act in illegal manner; penalty.
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    Any person who conspires together with 1 or more persons to commit an offense prohibited by law, or to commit a legal act in an illegal manner is guilty of the crime of conspiracy punishable as provided herein:
    (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c) and (d) if commission of the offense prohibited by law is punishable by imprisonment for 1 year or more, the person convicted under this section shall be punished by a penalty equal to that which could be imposed if he had been convicted of committing the crime he conspired to commit and in the discretion of the court an additional penalty of a fine of $10,000.00 may be imposed.
    (b) Any person convicted of conspiring to violate any provision of this act relative to illegal gambling or wagering or any other acts or ordinances relative to illegal gambling or wagering shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than $10,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment.
    (c) If commission of the offense prohibited by law is punishable by imprisonment for less than 1 year, except as provided in paragraph (b), the person convicted under this section shall be imprisoned for not more than 1 year nor fined more than $1,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment.
    (d) Any person convicted of conspiring to commit a legal act in an illegal manner shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than $10,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment in the discretion of the court.

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    my blood is currently boiling, it is so angering to me to see the police state forming in my own back yard.

    WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?

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    scot623 wrote:
    SNIP...we asked to file a formal complaint to which we were told "we don't have any forms"... Not being able to file a complaint against a police officer is a very big deal. This is by no means over with.
    Even if the copshad a form to fill out, I would not use it--too easy for them to channel the communication and ideas todisadvantage. I would write my own.

    Wehave a First Amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances.1 A formal written complaint to government about government falls into this category. No sense waitingfor the government tomake a form, the omission of whichwould tend, ifawaited, to restrict the 1A right to petition.


    Police seem to like keeping things verbal in order to avoid a paper trail. Paper makes them face it. Verbal means it can be forgotten. As the saying goes, "If it isn't written, it isn't true." Paper also establishes a record in case they do it again. Establishing a pattern of conduct seems to help civil rights lawsuits.



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    I've listen to this a couple times now, I knew some officers had ego's but dam. This man thinks hes above the laws hes enforcing!

    I agree what can we do? I hate to see all these small towns lose money through law suits only to raise the taxes of the citizens to pay for there arrogance

    Now that this officer knowingly lies & it’s on tape do you think he should be trusted in a court of law giving his word? Just my .02 but his creditability is gone.


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    (OC'er a 2:37)"Under what law are you saying we can't carry here? What MCL are we breaking?"

    (LEO @2:40): "Ya know what? You can take all your mumbo jumbo..."

    Mumbo jumbo? Really? Really?! WTF!!! Ludicrous.


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