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    From her website http://kristaburns.com/

    "The Right to Bear Arms, and the ability of Law Abiding Citizens to protect themselves, their family and their property is undeniable. I will fight Legislation aimed at limiting these rights.

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    Here is how Richards stands in a 1998 National Political Awareness Test

    Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

    Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.

    Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.


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    tomm1963 wrote:
    From her website http://kristaburns.com/

    I will fight Legislation aimed at limiting these rights.
    There is little need for further legislation aimed at limiting these rights because there are plenty of statutes in effect already. An effective pro-gun legislator will necessarily have to repeal and remove anti-gun statutes.

    Notice how forthright and honest are the anti-gun legislators.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    From her website http://kristaburns.com/

    I will fight Legislation aimed at limiting these rights.
    There is little need for further legislation aimed at limiting these rights because there are plenty of statutes in effect already. An effective pro-gun legislator will necessarily have to repeal and remove anti-gun statutes.

    Notice how forthright and honest are the anti-gun legislators.
    I agree in principle but...we are talking about the Peoples Republic of Milwaukee and in an east side district, home to the looniest of the loons where every politician (Barret, Taylor, Coggs to name a few) is out to grab your right to firearms. How far can a politician go the other way and hope to get elected? Her stand is a far cry better than Richards.

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    tomm1963 wrote:
    From her website http://kristaburns.com/

    "The Right to Bear Arms, and the ability of Law Abiding Citizens to protect themselves, their family and their property is undeniable. I will fight Legislation aimed at limiting these rights.
    Will she fight for legislation to EXPAND our rights?

    Other wise, will she fight to overturnWI State Statutesthat WAS aimed at limiting our rights?

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    Will she fight for legislation to EXPAND our rights?

    Other wise, will she fight to overturnWI State Statutesthat WAS aimed at limiting our rights?
    I can't speak for her.

    Hopefully as the election draws near her stand will be clarified. It would be nice if she would shine around here. Maybe she would give us her feelings on the Wisconsin Republican party platform calling for unlicensed concealed carry.

    I wonder though how many OC.ORG members are from Milwaukee or the19th district?

    Is it political suicide in this district to be fervently pro 2a?

    Consider Richards past record and he continues to get elected here.

    Voted NO
    Supporting the Individual's Right to Bear Arms AR 13

    Voted NO Gun Possession During Emergencies AB 581

    Voted NO Concealed Weapons SB403

    Maybe a moderate supporter of the 2nd is the best one can hope for in this district. Heck a mop handle wearing a bow tie would be an improvement over Richards.


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    As long as they know that moderately pro-gun is all that is needed to get your vote then that's all that you'll get, the lesser of two evil weevils - Bush like. Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.

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    If you can explain to me Doug how a Vehement pro 2a candidate gets elected in Milwaukee, I am all ears. Face it a hard core pro gun politician doesn't stand an ice cubes chance in H@ll getting elected in the 19th. Little steps. Better moderate than anti.

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    tomm1963 wrote:
    If you can explain to me Doug how a Vehement pro 2a candidate gets elected in Milwaukee, I am all ears. Face it a hard core pro gun politician doesn't stand an ice cubes chance in H@ll getting elected in the 19th. Little steps. Better moderate than anti.
    I agree 100% It does not make me happy about it at all, but I do agree.

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    Krista Burns Friend of the 2nd Amendment

    I'm running for State Assembly; Wisconsin 19th District; and I am a friend of the 2a. It's true the 19th District is the home of UWM, and many liberal professors. Other areas of the District are more conservative in their views. I can win with your support.

    I am the daughter of a Military Academy attendee, Korean War Vet, hunter, and gun owner. I grew up in a household of firearms (hand guns, rifles and shotguns), and learned to shoot a 22 Rifle at age 10. I'm a God and Country kind of woman. I believe in the Constitution as is, and am disturbed by how our rights have been eroded.

    I am in favor of law abiding citizens carrying guns openly, as well as concealed. I do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary; but am cautious about additional hoops and regulations that hide behind claims of safety while in actuality are designed for deterrence.

    I am opposed to trigger locks, ammo stamping, and other regulations designed to increase the expense of gun ownership, the usability of guns legally owned, or restrict gun ownership. I am OK with background checks; and denying felons ownership. I am cautious to unilaterally support the restrictions on mentally ill people; only because at some point gun opponents may define mentally ill as anyone who wishes to purchase a gun.

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    Hello Krista, and welcome to our forum. You sound like the kind of person we need in state government.

    You say that you"do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary (to carry)", and I hope you don't take to much flack over that. You must understand, self protection is a right, and needs no training, or licensing. If you do not need a permit to exercise your other rights, why would you need one to protect your family? This would be a hoop we would have to jump through, and one most on this forum would not support.

    Thanks for joining the forum. I am sure you will earn a bunch of votes. Best of luck.

    Aaron

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    AaronS wrote:
    Hello Krista, and welcome to our forum.┬* You sound like the kind of person we need in state government.

    You say that you┬*"do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary (to carry)", and I hope you don't take to much flack over that.┬* You must understand, self protection is a right, and needs no training, or licensing.┬* If you do not need a permit to exercise your other rights, why would you need one to protect your family?┬* This would be a hoop we would have to jump through, and one most on this forum would not support this.

    Thanks for joining the forum.┬* I am sure you will earn a bunch of votes.┬* Best of luck.

    Aaron
    Agreed Aaron , Welcome to the site Krista, though I and my wife don't appreciate your views, hopefully you will be able to take something from this site. However, Krista, you would not get my vote nor my wife's vote, taking a stance against the second amendment which is what you are doing ("do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary (to carry)". As soon as you infringe my right to carry, you are out. Anybody fooled by any of this bearucratic double speak deserves whatever they get. We don't need more laws. Just look at Vermont, Alsaska, and Arizona's non-existent carry laws. They are Constitutional carry states. Laws binding law abiding citizens are for control, nothing more. PERIOD.

    The bull pucky spewed by the liberal media is just that. Warnings that lawlessness and the old west gun battles will erupt never came true. Wow! Instead, an armed society became a polite society.

    My wife and I are adamantly opposed to any kind of licensing, permit, or training schemes. This is an affront to the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun is not like driving a car. At this point, one does not need to drive a car to protect oneself or family.

    Self-defense is not a license-able right. It is an inherent right. One we are born with. The 2nd amendment is my license and my permit. Same with my wife. [We just want to make sure you don't hurt yourself. We want to teach you.] So beware of the silver tongue. We're from the government and we're here to help are bad words.

    Setting up an onerous, government bureaucracy to oversee any such licensing program would be expensive and intrusive and dangerous. Besides infringing on my 2nd amendment rights. Criminals will not take classes nor will they target shoot to qualify for the stolen gun they have tucked in their pants. All a licensing/training/permit scheme will do is put physical and financial road blocks up in front of decent, law-abiding folk who want to defend themselves and their families.

    The worst of it is this, a woman gets a restraining order against her ex husband or boyfriend and she waves the piece of paper at him as he beats her to death or shoots her in the head and then kills the kids too. That little piece of paper did no good. She was just three weeks away from being approved to purchase a handgun. Because she needed to be licensed and trained. The bad guy did not need to be trained nor licensed. So sad.

    200 women march down the street at midnight carrying candles and signs that shout out, "We will take back the night!" Later that night, as she gets to her car, the organizer of the march puts the key in the door and as she turns it, a hand reaches around her and pulls her away and then pushes her to the ground where she is beaten and raped. Her sign, now covered with mud and blood, a sad reminder of her former life. She doesn't believe in guns.

    Every time my wife hear's of a take back the night rally, she remarks, "what in the heck are they going to do with a candle? I don't get it." My wife has been attacked and she won, she wasn't holding a candle.

    My recommendation, get a Kahr 9mm or a snub nosed .357, learn how to use it and you will have taken back the night.

    A .357 beats a candle in the wind every time. Hot wax never impressed a criminal.
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    +1000 Hardballer


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    KristaBurns wrote:
    Krista Burns Friend of the 2nd Amendment

    I'm running for State Assembly; Wisconsin 19th District; and I am a friend of the 2a. It's true the 19th District is the home of UWM, and many liberal professors. Other areas of the District are more conservative in their views. I can win with your support.

    I am the daughter of a Military Academy attendee, Korean War Vet, hunter, and gun owner. I grew up in a household of firearms (hand guns, rifles and shotguns), and learned to shoot a 22 Rifle at age 10. I'm a God and Country kind of woman. I believe in the Constitution as is, and am disturbed by how our rights have been eroded.

    I am in favor of law abiding citizens carrying guns openly, as well as concealed. I do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary; but am cautious about additional hoops and regulations that hide behind claims of safety while in actuality are designed for deterrence.

    I am opposed to trigger locks, ammo stamping, and other regulations designed to increase the expense of gun ownership, the usability of guns legally owned, or restrict gun ownership. I am OK with background checks; and denying felons ownership. I am cautious to unilaterally support the restrictions on mentally ill people; only because at some point gun opponents may define mentally ill as anyone who wishes to purchase a gun.
    I have highlighted a portion of your statement. As I understand it, this is in direct conflict with the state GOP platform. I respectfully ask what other innate rights, "there should be some licensing and training" for?

    I will also point out, that Wisconsin has never had a permitting bureaucracy for personal protection carry, never. Just for clarification, do you support creating such a bureaucracy even though Vermont, Alaska, and now Arizona have rejected this type of bureaucracy?


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    hardballer wrote:
    However, Krista, you would not get my vote nor my wife's vote, taking a stance against the second amendment which is what you are doing ("do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary (to carry)".
    While I agree with you in principle, would you rather vote for Krista or (and I'm making an assumption) her opponent that is completely anti 2nd A?

    Or would you not vote at all?

    Unfortunately in politics, there is no 'perfect' candidate. If Krista's opponent is anti, I would vote for Krista. I have a much better chance of changing the mind of her regarding permit-less carry than someone who thinks only cops should have guns.

    I'm not in her district so I can't vote for her either and I do not know where her opposition stands.

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    KristaBurns wrote:
    Krista Burns Friend of the 2nd Amendment

    I'm running for State Assembly; Wisconsin 19th District; and I am a friend of the 2a. It's true the 19th District is the home of UWM, and many liberal professors. Other areas of the District are more conservative in their views. I can win with your support.

    I am the daughter of a Military Academy attendee, Korean War Vet, hunter, and gun owner. I grew up in a household of firearms (hand guns, rifles and shotguns), and learned to shoot a 22 Rifle at age 10. I'm a God and Country kind of woman. I believe in the Constitution as is, and am disturbed by how our rights have been eroded.

    I am in favor of law abiding citizens carrying guns openly, as well as concealed. I do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary; but am cautious about additional hoops and regulations that hide behind claims of safety while in actuality are designed for deterrence.

    I am opposed to trigger locks, ammo stamping, and other regulations designed to increase the expense of gun ownership, the usability of guns legally owned, or restrict gun ownership. I am OK with background checks; and denying felons ownership. I am cautious to unilaterally support the restrictions on mentally ill people; only because at some point gun opponents may define mentally ill as anyone who wishes to purchase a gun.
    I have highlighted a portion of your statement. As I understand it, this is in direct conflict with the state GOP platform. I respectfully ask what other innate rights, "there should be some licensing and training" for?

    I will also point out, that Wisconsin has never had a permitting bureaucracy for personal protection carry, never. Just for clarification, do you support creating such a bureaucracy even though Vermont, Alaska, and now Arizona have rejected this type of bureaucracy?
    Hey, I say we just continue OCing. No permits, training or fees needed. Who cares if it upsets the general public?

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    J.Gleason wrote:
    bnhcomputing wrote:
    KristaBurns wrote:
    Krista Burns Friend of the 2nd Amendment

    I'm running for State Assembly; Wisconsin 19th District; and I am a friend of the 2a.┬* It's true the 19th District is the home of UWM, and many liberal professors.┬* Other areas of the District are more conservative in their views.┬* I can win with your support.

    I am the daughter of a Military Academy attendee, Korean War Vet, hunter, and gun owner.┬* I grew up in a household of firearms (hand guns, rifles and shotguns), and learned to shoot a 22 Rifle at age 10.┬* I'm a God and Country kind of woman.┬* I believe in the Constitution as is,┬* and am disturbed by how our rights have been eroded.

    I am in favor of law abiding citizens carrying guns openly, as well as concealed.┬* I do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary; but am cautious about additional hoops and regulations that hide behind claims of safety while in actuality are designed for deterrence.┬*

    I am opposed to trigger locks, ammo stamping, and other regulations designed to increase the expense of gun ownership, the usability of guns legally owned, or restrict gun ownership.┬* I am OK with background checks; and denying felons ownership.┬* I am cautious to unilaterally support the restrictions on mentally ill people; only because at some point gun opponents may define mentally ill as anyone who wishes to purchase a gun.
    I have highlighted a portion of your statement.┬* As I understand it, this is in direct conflict with the state GOP platform.┬* I respectfully ask what other innate rights, "there should be some licensing and training" for?

    I will also point out, that Wisconsin has never had a permitting bureaucracy for personal protection carry, never.┬* Just for clarification, do you support creating such a bureaucracy even though Vermont, Alaska, and now Arizona have rejected this type of bureaucracy?
    Hey, I say we just continue OCing. No permits, training or fees needed. Who cares if it upsets the general public?
    Ditto
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    There are times however, when as a practical matter, especially in the winter, that I personally would prefer concealed carry.

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    There are times however, when as a practical matter, especially in the winter, that I personally would prefer concealed carry.
    +1

    The GTG we had at Starbucks when it was flippin' freezing was not fun because I had no jacket that I would 'trust' to not cover my weapon.

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    A nice sturdy gun belt that would fit over a jacket would have value here. I have no problem with that.
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    KristaBurns wrote: [/b]
    Krista Burns Friend of the 2nd Amendment

    I am a friend of the 2a.┬*

    I believe in the Constitution as is,┬* and am disturbed by how our rights have been eroded.

    I am in favor of law abiding citizens carrying guns openly, as well as concealed.┬*

    I do believe there should be some licensing and training necessary

    I am opposed to regulations designed to increase the expense of gun ownership, the usability of guns legally owned, or restrict gun ownership.┬*
    I would like to know just how the above quote in red lines up with "I believe in the Constitution as is".

    I know perfection is unobtainable but come on. Don't support or vote for someone out of desperation. We are buried in "reasonable" statutes "for the public good".
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    hardballer wrote:
    I would like to know just how the above quote in red lines up with "I believe in the Constitution as is".

    I know perfection is unobtainable but come on. Don't support or vote for someone out of desperation. We are buried in "reasonable" statutes "for the public good".
    So, to be clear. If Krista is running against a person who says (no OC, no CC), you wouldn't vote at all?

    If so, isn't that shooting yourself in the foot? How can you ever vote for someone?

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    Given the circumstances, I might not vote or I might write in Mickey Mouse. I am soooooooooo freakin' tired of these control freaks who want to license and permit and control the law abiding population "for our own good" when in reality, this is a deep seated fear in their own hearts driving them.

    I suppose you are fine with licensing and permits. So you want to elect an unknown that already tells you she does believe in the Constitution but only her version cause the framers of the Constitution, our laws, really didn't have a handle on it? Whatever!

    Permits and licensing is REGISTRATION. Don't you get it?

    This will not go as planned for them or us until we draw a line in the sand and proclaim in a loud voice, ENOUGH!
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    hardballer wrote:
    I suppose you are fine with licensing and permits. So you want to elect an unknown that already tells you she does believe in the Constitution but only her version cause the framers of the Constitution, our laws, really didn't have a handle on it? Whatever!
    Yes, I am OK with having to get a permit for CC. Before anyone crucifies me, I said OK.

    I WANT Constitutional Carry but if I had a choice of voting for a relatively pro 2A (I know, an oxymoron) candidate that won't screw with OC but will 'allow' me to CC with a permit, I'd vote for them. Just staying home or voting for Mickey Mouse lets the anti win.

    AZ didn't get Constitutional Carry overnight. They got permitted CC 1st and then dropped the permit.

    Can you honestly say that everyone you have ever voted for met 100% of your criteria? I can honestly say I cannot recall voting for someone I liked completely.

    I voted for Bush twice because I thought Gore would be worse and Kerry was an idiot. I voted for McCain because he had Palin on the ticket and was better than Obama. On McCain I had to hold my nose.

    Hardballer, I appreciate you work for the carrying movement and I believe we both want the same thing.

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    Even baby steps are still steps; as long as the steps are in the right direction. Permitted CC is not be the ultimate goal, but regardless how much disdain we might have for a permit, it WOULD be a step forward non-the-less.



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