avdrummerboy
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Police officers have no expectation of privacy in the discharge of their duties, record away
Police officers have no expectation of privacy in the discharge of their duties, record away
I think DK has the proper remedy for that. Sterile carry is something you have to make a conscious decision about, and we have been conditioned to have it with us at all times. I leavemy DLin my vehicle, because that is the only place I am required by statute toproduceit...Yes, ID's (wallets) were taken from us no questions asked.
The first casual request for information at the Apple Valley station of San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department was not granted. I would like to know if anyone here has information or advice on how best to go about requisitioning the information, call logs, radio logs, etc relating to our detention.
No, you gave consent... for everything that happened.Yes, ID's (wallets) were taken from us no questions asked.
When the thug put his hands on you and went through your pockets you should have said:
Stop! Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape! Serve the search warrant before making the search. What, you don't have a warrant? Well I never consented to a search so call your training officer over here so you can explain to him why you stopped and detained me without reasonable suspicion and why you searched me without probable cause. What, you're a veteran and don't have a T.O.? Well get your supervisor over here then. Jeez, you suck at your job! I hope your replacement will be better at it.
When the thug put his hands on you and went through your pockets you should have said:
Stop! Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape! Serve the search warrant before making the search. What, you don't have a warrant? Well I never consented to a search so call your training officer over here so you can explain to him why you stopped and detained me without reasonable suspicion and why you searched me without probable cause. What, you're a veteran and don't have a T.O.? Well get your supervisor over here then. Jeez, you suck at your job! I hope your replacement will be better at it.
RAS only allows for a detention for investigation, not for any search or demand for ID.
CA has no "stop and ID" statute compliant with Hiibel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevadacato wrote:
RAS only allows for a detention for investigation, not for any search or demand for ID.
Really? In WI RAS can get a demand for ID but all we have to do is verbally ID ourselves with name and address. They cannot demand ID paperwork.
Do you have a citation for this? In Minnesota v. Dickerson a police officer patted a subject down, thought he felt drug contraband, then felt it with his fingers through the clothing, and then pulled the object out (which ended up being crack cocaine). Was this wrong or is there defined steps that must take place in a specific order (such as, open hand pat down, then if you feel something which you suspect is illegal, then you can use your fingers)?...then an open hand pat down only (not pinching or grabbing) for weapons is allowed.
What's the difference? (rhetorical)cato wrote:
RAS only allows for a detention for investigation, not for any search or demand for ID.
Really? In WI RAS can get a demand for ID but all we have to do is verbally ID ourselves with name and address. They cannot demand ID paperwork.
read it again!!!!! the drugs found were fruit if the poisenous tree!!cato wrote:Do you have a citation for this? In Minnesota v. Dickerson a police officer patted a subject down, thought he felt drug contraband, then felt it with his fingers through the clothing, and then pulled the object out (which ended up being crack cocaine). Was this wrong or is there defined steps that must take place in a specific order (such as, open hand pat down, then if you feel something which you suspect is illegal, then you can use your fingers)?...then an open hand pat down only (not pinching or grabbing) for weapons is allowed.
cato wrote:Do you have a citation for this? In Minnesota v. Dickerson a police officer patted a subject down, thought he felt drug contraband, then felt it with his fingers through the clothing, and then pulled the object out (which ended up being crack cocaine). Was this wrong or is there defined steps that must take place in a specific order (such as, open hand pat down, then if you feel something which you suspect is illegal, then you can use your fingers)?...then an open hand pat down only (not pinching or grabbing) for weapons is allowed.
DITTO!fine letter,,
maybe they would print it as an obit for the 4th amendment?