steveman01
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Bikenut wrote:
Bikenut wrote:
Sorry I just read it as it's written: We the people, not We the citizens. I know you think they are the same thing but I do not. The founders were smart enough to write citizens if that is what they meant. They knew it was forall people and not just citizens.What you may "feel" has no bearing on the truth.Why else would I have wrote "feel"?
Just as you get to say who farts on your couch the citizens who own this country get to say who can live in it. The world does belong to God but the part of His world called the United States of America is under the stewardship of those who own it.I will admit this is the best argument I have heard yet! Bravo! you may have changed my thinking just a bit. I still don't think we as citizens have the right to say who has the god given right to property and who doesn't. Yes it may be our country but if someone purchases property here they have as much right to it as I do mine. Looking at it from your point of view I see how you could come to say we have this right, but should we use it? I don't think it changes much. I look at it like this: God gave us (humans) this world, so I think every man has the right to walk about it freely. Of course so long as he does not disrupt others and their rights.
Because your birthplace was within the U.S. you have fulfilled one of the qualifications that confer citizenship and therefore you are a citizen... the Frenchman wasn't born here and isn't a citizen of the U.S. until he goes through the process to fulfill other qualifications that allow him to become a citizen.Qualification fuwee! what does it do? nothing, just some bologna that the "big wigs" came up with for a false sense of security.
"Public" property is property owned by "we the people" .. not "them the whole damn world".Do they not fit that category if they so choose? I thought "We the people" included allof us people who wish to be free.
You are confusing property ownership with citizenship status... they are not the same thing.
No, just saying that all men have the right to property and not just men under a certain citizenship.
You, and I, as citizens also own that bench in a public park. What part of "public" being the group called "citizens" do you not understand?
I don't understand where you get citizens? I speak of the people, you are confusing people with citizens.
Wrong Sir! There is a God given right for all men to defend themselves... it is only in America that there is a written guarantee that the citizens have the right to use arms to defend themselves.Those rights are still rights even if they are not written down or are repealedby men. That is why wewrote the DOI. When we were red, we had no such things written down, but we acted on them anyway because we knew they were there andcould only be taken away by god.The legally protected right to keep and bear arms and the God given right to self defense are not the same thing.
I believe they are both god given.Now... I'll say this to you Sir... if you think that anyone, anywhere, has the God given right to come into the U.S. just because they are a human being let me suggest that you personally invite an illegal alien and his family into your own house... and pay for their food, their schooling, their health care, their clothing, and let them fart on your couch... all on your own dime.
Now your just going back to the wel-fare argument.