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    Yep that has been posted a couple of times

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    i still stick with my credo;

    i see it all crystal clear, so i keep my pistol near,
    heart's never full of fear, homey i stay well aware,
    of what's going on around me, mother ***** want me dead,
    so i put a smile on my face, finish my time here.

    open carry works.

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    Sometimes brakes on cars don't work but we still wear seat belts.

    Sometimes Oil blow out preventers don't work but they still drill for oil in the gulf.

    Sometimes you can call 911 and the cops will get there when it is too late, but some people still choose to call 911 instead of defending themselves.

    I have to wonder how does someone cope with such a decision if their choice costs them the life of a loved one?

    I mean, if I have the choice to defend my life and the life of my loved ones and I choose not to do that because the anti gun government has brainwashed me into thinking that I have to rely on the police for protection and one of my loved ones gets killed because of my lame ass lazy American decision then I deserve to be lying in the morgue next to my loved one.

    Remember, when seconds count, police are minutes away. Is it worth the life of your loved ones to wait for Police who may not protect you anyway? (Remember Columbine)

    If it is that big of a deal to you then CCW.

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    JG. My post was not to imply that open carry is not worthwhile. It was only intended as a wake up call that, as with all things, it isn't perfect and we should not be lulled into a false sense of never fail security. Beyond that read into what you wish.

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    Captain Nemo wrote:
    JG. My post was not to imply that open carry is not worthwhile. It was only intended as a wake up call that, as with all things, it isn't perfect and we should not be lulled into a false sense of never fail security. Beyond that read into what you wish.
    I know, I was just putting that out there to anyone who would be having any doubts on OC. Not including you of course.

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    The antis and media may jump all over this report but it still demonstrates a perfect reason as to why someone should carry a firearm.

    There are armed bandits out there and I would much rather face one while armed then face one unarmed.

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    That's because open carry does not put an "S" on your chest. It's a deterrent, not a force field.

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    From the sketchy reporting of the article we don't know all the circumstances of the encounter. We don't know if the victim was ambushed or attacked from behind or caught off guard or if he just plain froze. I certainly hope he didn't freeze and end up giving up his firearm to the thug as the article suggests. End up giving the crook two guns instead of one. I hope he wasn't just carrying the gun because it made him feel macho or just because the Attorney General said it was OK or because it was "cool".

    There is a lot more to carrying a firearm than just going down to the local gun store and buying a shiny new firearm, a fancy state of the art holster and then strapping it on and strutting around in public like a banty rooster. A hell of a lot more. It doesn't matter if the firearm was carried open or concealed. If that moment of truth comes and you don't have the moral conviction to look another human being in the face and pull your gun and shoot and kill him dead, then you have no business carrying a firearm. You are a danger to yourself and others around you. Carrying a loaded firearm is not a dog and pony show. It is serious business. I don't know if any of you have seen a person's brains splattered all over a wall because he was shot with a large caliber bullet. I have. It makes you get rid of your last meal in a hurry. When all the cards are on the table and push comes to shove if you don't have the guts to use lethal force then these words apply to you. "Don't take your guns to town son." "Don't take your guns to town, Bill." "Don't take your guns to town." Johnny Cash.

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    Since I was not there & did not have a 1st hand account of the situation, I can't say anything smart azzed. Regardless of if I am home or out and about, my situational awareness level is always on, condition Yellow / orange, constantly looking around taking in any threats. When OC, weapon loaded ready to draw, fight or flee.
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    MK wrote:
    The antis and media may jump all over this report but it still demonstrates a perfect reason as to why someone should carry a firearm.

    There are armed bandits out there and I would much rather face one while armed then face one unarmed.
    Precisely

    Open carry IS a deterrent. It just doesn't deter ALL crime

    Its like a seatbelt. There are people who were in accidents that would have died had they had a seatbelt on... But that doesn't mean seatbelts are a bad idea.

    Having said that, with open carry we can predict when its better to open carry and when to conceal.

    When you are in a shoulder to shoulder crowd at summerfest, or a sporting event or a concert. Not the place to open-carry but STILL a place I'd want to be armed especially walking back to my car after. Conceal carry is a far better option.

    Wisconsin Carry's mission has always been that we believe people have the right to carry in the manner of THEIR choosing based on what suits their needs best. This situation proves it.
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    I'm getting a little miffed about this idea of a criminal being more of a criminal or something if he now has 2 guns instead of one. Will you be more dead if he shoots you with one and then takes out the other and shoots you? To me it is an anti-gun inflammatory remark. I noticed it first in the comments to the JS article, as a slam against OC'ers.

    The biggest problem I see is that the criminal now has your tool of defense leaving you a little limited in your options. He is still the same criminal and is no more dangerous than he was with one gun, if that is all the guns he had in the first place. Most likely he will pawn it for cash. If he pawns, he may get caught or the gun may end up in a law abiding hand, or perhaps another non-felon criminal. But we can not simply say the the world is now that much more dangerous because we just gave up a weapon to the criminal.

    Criminals will get firearms. Taking them at gunpoint is probably one of the most risky ways they will get them. Good awareness and good security at home will help to keep them from getting them from us and will leave us better able to defend ourselves.


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    I have a pistol replenisihment fund, if my tool is even confiscated by the man, one will magically appear with in a day or two.
    http://youtu.be/xWgVGu3OR4U AACFI, Wisconsin / Minnesota Carry Certified. Action Pistol & Advanced Action pistol concepts + Urban Carbine course. When the entitlement Zombies begin looting, pillaging, raping, burning & killing..remember HEAD SHOTS it's the only way to kill a Zombie. Stockpile food & water now.

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    Glock34 wrote:
    I have a pistol replenisihment fund, if my tool is even confiscated by the man, one will magically appear with in a day or two.
    YUP!
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    Glock34 wrote:
    my tool

    A. Gold

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    Glock34 wrote:
    one will magically appear with in a day or two.
    What are you, some sort of gecko?
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    i hate you guys (antis pick up on that one), if it goes to me it's a loss. i'd like insurance where you get a better gun. 'cause boasting proudly; that would have helped in the first place.

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    Carrying a gun doesn't make a person more safe any more than it makes them more intelligent.

    If you don't know what you're doing you're still apt to be victimized or asked to leave a business.

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    I disagree. A single mom with her two year old in her arms crouched next to her bed without a gun is at the mercy of a BG. The same scenario, Gun in her hand. . . I think she is safer.

    Out on the street, you are chased to a place of hiding, you have no weapon, they pull you out and beat the livin' sh-- out of you or worse.

    The same scenario, you have a gun, you can't hit the broad side of a barn but just the sight of the gun chases the BGs off.

    I think you are safer with the gun.

    One of my favorite sayings: "God made man, they say, Sam Colt made em' equal, more or less."
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    I'll toss this one in:

    “Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.” - Col. Jeff Cooper
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    Shotgun wrote:
    I'll toss this one in:

    “Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.” - Col. Jeff Cooper
    Good quote;

    How 'bout this one:
    "Having a handgun beats 4 aces every time." Hardballer
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    hardballer wrote:
    I disagree. A single mom with her two year old in her arms crouched next to her bed without a gun is at the mercy of a BG. The same scenario, Gun in her hand. . . I think she is safer.

    Out on the street, you are chased to a place of hiding, you have no weapon, they pull you out and beat the livin' sh-- out of you or worse.

    The same scenario, you have a gun, you can't hit the broad side of a barn but just the sight of the gun chases the BGs off.

    I think you are safer with the gun.

    One of my favorite sayings: "God made man, they say, Sam Colt made em' equal, more or less."
    Guns are tools, inanimate objects, not some sort of defense shield. An armed person has one more tool at their disposal which they may use properly, improperly, or not at all.

    Guns do not create or solve problems, but may allow for a different outcome.

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    hardballer wrote:
    I disagree. A single mom with her two year old in her arms crouched next to her bed without a gun is at the mercy of a BG. The same scenario, Gun in her hand. . . I think she is safer.

    Out on the street, you are chased to a place of hiding, you have no weapon, they pull you out and beat the livin' sh-- out of you or worse.

    The same scenario, you have a gun, you can't hit the broad side of a barn but just the sight of the gun chases the BGs off.

    I think you are safer with the gun.

    One of my favorite sayings: "God made man, they say, Sam Colt made em' equal, more or less."
    I would like to agree, but if a person that is unwilling to take the life of a bad guy, has a gun, he/she will be lucky to live past the theft of said gun. I do not know enough about this gun theft, but I am under the impression that the BG had to help with the removal of the holster... In this case (again I don't have all the info), the BG would have had to kill me as far as I see it. The vic in this case is a very lucky person. I would have thought the BG would have used his new gun for the first time that day. Again, I don't think any of us have all the needed info to be sure of much in this case. Hell, for all I know, the BG was an EX-friend...

    If you will not use it (when you need it), please leave it at home. It is for your and my own good. To carry a gun on your hip is not just some simple action. It is a choice that one should give a lot of thought to. If needed, you might be put in a position that requires you to take the life of a person. If you can not handle that, leave your gun at home. Understand, today I have one more gun on the streets near my home. It does not make me happy...

    I shop at the Pick n Save right next to the location that this theft happened. I carry about 95% of the time. I hope to God this kind of thing never happens to me. I would hate to spend the time in jail waiting for my court date...

    Two in the center mass...

    Aaron

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    Brad_Krause wrote:
    hardballer wrote:
    I disagree. A single mom with her two year old in her arms crouched next to her bed without a gun is at the mercy of a BG. The same scenario, Gun in her hand. . . I think she is safer.

    Out on the street, you are chased to a place of hiding, you have no weapon, they pull you out and beat the livin' sh-- out of you or worse.

    The same scenario, you have a gun, you can't hit the broad side of a barn but just the sight of the gun chases the BGs off.

    I think you are safer with the gun.

    One of my favorite sayings: "God made man, they say, Sam Colt made em' equal, more or less."


    Guns do not create or solve problems, but may allow for a different outcome.
    Guns do solve problems. They do change outcomes. Not having a gun will solve your problem too. The outcome may be different than you might care for though.
    Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid. Han Solo

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