MTMckinley bank Branch Manger

Wirelesscto wrote:

Hey all I had a small issue with a Branch Manger in the Delta Junction area!
I went in to the branchwith a customer who ask me to drive him to town.I personally know the Branch manger I walked in and said hello...

He got up from his desk and said hell No Get out this is private property...

I told him I was with Steve and thatI was driving him to pick up agift card...

He then told me to get out that my gun in aholster made his customers un easy...

There was no one in the Branch!!!

Below is the letter from the ops manager what you guys think?






Hello Brian,

As I said on the phone Mt. McKinley Bank does not have a policy to limit people from carrying their firearms onto bank premises. I do not see this policy changing in the near future. If we decided to post our property we would notify our depositors in advance so that they would have plenty of notice of the change in policy.

I have to accept responsibility for Pablo not knowing this policy as we had discussed it some months earlier and I failed inform him that we would not be posting any limitation on our buildings.

I talked with Pablo this evening and let him know my error in not communicating this information. I apologize for any inconvenience that you incurred today.

Feel free to contact me with any comments you may have.



Patty Mongold

Sr. Vice President & Chief Operations Officer

Mt. McKinley Bank

500 Fourth Avenue

Fairbanks AK 99701

Voice (907) 452-1751 Fax (907) 456-5982

pmongold@mtmckinleybank.com

http://www.mtmckinleybank.com

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I think Pablo owes you an apology. I'd go back in OC'ing the biggest hand gun I could find, expect to get it and demand it if it wasn't forthcoming.

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Grace marks the high road.

I gave up requiring or expecting apologies a long time ago. It just forces the other person to admit he was wrongandtakes away a little piece of him.

If an apology is freely offered, I would gracefully accept it, for his sake. And then forget all about it.

If one was not freely offered, I would still forget all about it. I might even let him know I harbored no hard feelings (surely his supervisor will clear up his misunderstanding for him by the time you return.)

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Brian,

I am confused. You adamantly argued with me about a year or so agoabout the notion that you didn't believe it was legal to carry in banks per federal law.Me and several others disputed your contentionvehemently and you kept referring to your lawyer told you so and so forth... I remember this debate very well.

Now you post a thread about you carrying in a bank despite the fact that you were sopointed about it being such a no-no. Please explain this curious reversal just so we mayunderstand you a littlebetter.

I have scrolled all over and it appears that several of our posts and maybe eventhat entire thread may have been summarily deleted...

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I was refering to CCW in banks a year ago!!!!
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> The above is legal open carry in a branch in which the manager tried to
> tresspass me for carrying in the open.....
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> As you can see there COO has set him straight and As I have always said I
> carry everywhere that is legal to do so...
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> This is not the first time I have carried in this branch and the day after
> there legal department last year told this same manager that there policy
> was that everyone was allowed to carry in the open in there bank. I took the
> person that I had taken in the first time right back in and they opened an
> account... This manager has a thing for singling out people that are open
> carrying and telling them they cannot. I will keep up the fight in Delta to
> make sure that people are allow to do what we legally can....
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> In this Case it was to call the COO to inform her that her manager was in the
> wrong and make sure that it goes on his record!!! If it happens again after
> the above letter I will take it to my civil attorney and I personally will
> file against this civil rights vololation.
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> Brian
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Thanks for the clarification. 

I am sure manyothers, includingmyself,still vehemently disagree with your contention that concealed carrying in a bankisn't legal, particularly when you believe open carry in them is allowed, butat this point itseems like a wasted argument.My main issue wasn't about what you believe, it is about what you teach your students...

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I was refering to CCW in banks a year ago!!!!

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You're not allowed to carry a firearm on post office property, not even in a vehicle while unloaded. There was an appeal in the south in federal court, and they ruled the car wasn't an extension of the home.

Just park on another property, leave the firearm in the car and walk over to the post office.

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1. § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
   
   
   Release date: 2004-08-06
   
   a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

1. (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to-
   
   
   (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
   
   (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
   
   (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
   
   
   
   
   
   so if you are there for lawful reason or to hunt there is an exeption right?

The post office is not a federal building, this has been established. (someone else can cite, can't find the info)

There is a code which was upheld by an appeals court.

39 C.F.R. § 232.1

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(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may 
carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either 
openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for 
official purposes.

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The post office is not a federal building, this has been established. (someone else can cite, can't find the info)

There is a code which was upheld by an appeals court.

39 C.F.R. § 232.1

Code:

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may 
carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either 
openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for 
official purposes.

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Ok lets talk about anouther subject of great debate?



Post offices??? Is open and CCW legal in a post office if you are there to say pickup your mail???





I say yes after reading the federal Law what about you guys?

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Wirelesscto wrote:

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Ok lets talk about anouther subject of great debate?



Post offices??? Is open and CCW legal in a post office if you are there to say pickup your mail???





I say yes after reading the federal Law what about you guys?

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Please provide a cite to the specific federal law you were reading!

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its was above but here is is again

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Looking at 18 USC 930, it would appear, at first blush, that carrying firearms is prohibited. That section provides:

1. § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
   
   
   Release date: 2004-08-06
   
   a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

So part of the confusion is rooted in the wording of this section. The prohibition applies to "Federal facilit(ies)" except as provide for in subsection (d). Subsection (d) provides:

1. (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to-
   
   
   (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
   
   (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
   
   (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
   
   

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JoeSparky wrote:

Wirelesscto wrote:

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Ok lets talk about anouther subject of great debate?



Post offices??? Is open and CCW legal in a post office if you are there to say pickup your mail???





I say yes after reading the federal Law what about you guys?

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Please provide a cite to the specific federal law you were reading!

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its was above but here is is again

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Looking at 18 USC 930, it would appear, at first blush, that carrying firearms is prohibited. That section provides:

1. § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
   
   
   Release date: 2004-08-06
   
   a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

So part of the confusion is rooted in the wording of this section. The prohibition applies to "Federal facilit(ies)" except as provide for in subsection (d). Subsection (d) provides:

1. (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to-
   
   
   (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
   
   (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
   
   (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
   
   

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Wirelesscto wrote:

JoeSparky wrote:

Wirelesscto wrote:

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Ok lets talk about anouther subject of great debate?



Post offices??? Is open and CCW legal in a post office if you are there to say pickup your mail???





I say yes after reading the federal Law what about you guys?

Click to expand...

Please provide a cite to the specific federal law you were reading!

Click to expand...

its was above but here is is again

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Looking at 18 USC 930, it would appear, at first blush, that carrying firearms is prohibited. That section provides:

1. § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
   
   
   Release date: 2004-08-06
   
   a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

So part of the confusion is rooted in the wording of this section. The prohibition applies to "Federal facilit(ies)" except as provide for in subsection (d). Subsection (d) provides:

1. (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to-
   
   
   (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
   
   (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
   
   (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
   
   

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That is NOT the law that makes it illegal to carry in the post office. Try title 39 as is posted earlier in this thread.

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JoeSparky wrote:

Wirelesscto wrote:

JoeSparky wrote:

Wirelesscto wrote:

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Ok lets talk about anouther subject of great debate?



Post offices??? Is open and CCW legal in a post office if you are there to say pickup your mail???





I say yes after reading the federal Law what about you guys?

Click to expand...

Please provide a cite to the specific federal law you were reading!

Click to expand...

its was above but here is is again

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Looking at 18 USC 930, it would appear, at first blush, that carrying firearms is prohibited. That section provides:

1. § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
   
   
   Release date: 2004-08-06
   
   a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

So part of the confusion is rooted in the wording of this section. The prohibition applies to "Federal facilit(ies)" except as provide for in subsection (d). Subsection (d) provides:

1. (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to-
   
   
   (1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
   
   (2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
   
   (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
   
   

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That is NOT the law that makes it illegal to carry in the post office. Try title 39 as is posted earlier in this thread.

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Title 39 can only be enforced as stated by



q) Enforcement. (1) Members of the U.S. Postal Service security
force shall exercise the powers of special policemen provided by 40
U.S.C. 318 and shall be responsible for enforcing the regulations in
this section in a manner that will protect Postal Service property.

Ready this post as well



http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/7601.html

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