I'm missing something...was Darth Vader carrying a .45 or something? I fail to see how this is going to help us. It appears the Venetian security staff believes because the county makes them responsible for the cleanup of the sidewalk that it became their private property that they can trespass people from for whatever reason. This doesn't surprise me considering the random acts of stupidity committed by Venetian security over the years. Too many casinos think that whole chapter of gaming law about "detain a violator for the purposes of notifying a peace officer" makes them a private police force. Unfortunately if you read NRS 465.101, it only allows them to detain someone suspected of violating Gaming Laws aka Chapter 465. If they tried to detain me we would have a serious problem. If they told me to leave the sidewalk, I would simply walk away.
jpa wrote:
I'm missing something...was Darth Vader carrying a .45 or something? I fail to see how this is going to help us. It appears the Venetian security staff believes because the county makes them responsible for the cleanup of the sidewalk that it became their private property that they can trespass people from for whatever reason. This doesn't surprise me considering the random acts of stupidity committed by Venetian security over the years. Too many casinos think that whole chapter of gaming law about "detain a violator for the purposes of notifying a peace officer" makes them a private police force. Unfortunately if you read NRS 465.101, it only allows them to detain someone suspected of violating Gaming Laws aka Chapter 465. If they tried to detain me we would have a serious problem. If they told me to leave the sidewalk, I would simply walk away.
I agree completly. They cannot stand some characters and we expect them to accept us with OC, even that's a constitutional right??? I don't see how this is going to help us. What you can expect from $ 9/hour security, beside ignorance and a poor service they are providing. In 2007 I was in the New York New York casino at the time of theshoothing and laugh seeing the security running and hide all over, closed themself in themain cage vault. But no, honest people can't defend themself's and the family let's wait for metro to show up after they finishthe coffeand some random security. I called oance the proprety security where I live: Surprise we are notcover your community over the week-ends.....So officers just please read and apply the law in the right way,being a model for the citizens that you are out there to protectin good and bad wheater conditions.although not directly related to 2nd amendment I do see how this would help us as its a case of what is public property and private property on the strip. These hotels and casinos seem to think the public sidewalk belongs to them. This case will further help the OC movement when we organize a strip walk. Or just a person walking down the strip that values his self defense and not be trespassed from a sidewalk.
Then you newbies dont know about Tim and how he was treated just off the strip. You newbies also do not seem to have a grasp of how the police in this town think they can violate whomever they wish. Once Vader wins this case and I 'think' he will. Maybe the police will understand they cant run people over any longer.Remmy wrote:jpa wrote:I agree completly. They cannot stand some characters and we expect them to accept us with OC, even that's a constitutional right??? I don't see how this is going to help us.I'm missing something...was Darth Vader carrying a .45 or something? I fail to see how this is going to help us. It appears the Venetian security staff
BionicJumpy wrote:Then you newbies dont know about Tim and how he was treated just off the strip. You newbies also do not seem to have a grasp of how the police in this town think they can violate whomever they wish. Once Vader wins this case and I 'think' he will. Maybe the police will understand they cant run people over any longer.Remmy wrote:jpa wrote:I agree completly. They cannot stand some characters and we expect them to accept us with OC, even that's a constitutional right??? I don't see how this is going to help us.I'm missing something...was Darth Vader carrying a .45 or something? I fail to see how this is going to help us. It appears the Venetian security staff
Read the article this time and pay attention to the part about the suit brought against the POLICE. Again something like what was done by metro in this case is exactly the sort of thing Tim went through. Detaining people with no valid reason. I could give 2 shits about the venetion and that suit.I still don't see how this helps us. Do you think a lawsuit like this is going to win us points with the Venetian? That they will suddenly welcome open carriers with open arms because security hassled some street performers and got them sued? I'm not making the connection and I doubt the hotel management will either.
jpa wrote:Read the article this time and pay attention to the part about the suit brought against the POLICE. Again something like what was done by metro in this case is exactly the sort of thing Tim went through. Detaining people with no valid reason. I could give 2 @#$%s about the venetion and that suit.I still don't see how this helps us. Do you think a lawsuit like this is going to win us points with the Venetian? That they will suddenly welcome open carriers with open arms because security hassled some street performers and got them sued? I'm not making the connection and I doubt the hotel management will either.
According to the lawsuit, Jason Perez-Morciglio was throwing away trash in front of The Venetian on Jan. 15 when security officers "kidnapped the brothers, forced them into a small room inside the Venetian Hotel and detained them."
"These security guards handcuffed the brothers, searched their persons and belongings, demanded identification, and photographed them," the document said.
"Each of the brothers was strapped to a chair and kept by the security guards for over an hour."
The lawsuit alleges that the security officers then summoned two Las Vegas police officers who handcuffed and searched the brothers before directing them to sign misdemeanor trespass warnings. The police officers were identified only as S. Schaier and T. Scott.
"Thereafter, the brothers were escorted from the premises to the parking lot in the back of Harrah's Las Vegas Casino by the security guards and were warned not to 'trespass' on the sidewalk in front of the Venetian Hotel again or else face arrest," according to the document.
Vegassteve wrote:jpa wrote:Read the article this time and pay attention to the part about the suit brought against the POLICE. Again something like what was done by metro in this case is exactly the sort of thing Tim went through. Detaining people with no valid reason. I could give 2 @#$%s about the venetion and that suit.I still don't see how this helps us. Do you think a lawsuit like this is going to win us points with the Venetian? That they will suddenly welcome open carriers with open arms because security hassled some street performers and got them sued? I'm not making the connection and I doubt the hotel management will either.
Steve, I promise I'm reading the same article you are. The suit against the Venetian and Metro are one and the same, I'll find the case info later. All Metro did was witness them give the trespass warning so it goes into SCOPE in case they're found on Venetian property at a later date. As for the security guards, this was their baby, not Metro. Tim's situation was all Metro.
According to the lawsuit, Jason Perez-Morciglio was throwing away trash in front of The Venetian on Jan. 15 when security officers "kidnapped the brothers, forced them into a small room inside the Venetian Hotel and detained them."
"These security guards handcuffed the brothers, searched their persons and belongings, demanded identification, and photographed them," the document said.
"Each of the brothers was strapped to a chair and kept by the security guards for over an hour."
The lawsuit alleges that the security officers then summoned two Las Vegas police officers who handcuffed and searched the brothers before directing them to sign misdemeanor trespass warnings. The police officers were identified only as S. Schaier and T. Scott.
"Thereafter, the brothers were escorted from the premises to the parking lot in the back of Harrah's Las Vegas Casino by the security guards and were warned not to 'trespass' on the sidewalk in front of the Venetian Hotel again or else face arrest," according to the document.