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    it's no secret that I often disagree with some of VCDL's positions and flat hate an Executive Member or two, I've never been ashamed of being a member.
    Every once in a while, Philip Van Cleave, President of VCDL, will reach down in his magic hat and say something that makes me want to go wax my magnetic VCDL sign on my truck.
    Today is such a day.


    VA-ALERT: VCDL - Open Carry Revisited Last week when I spoke at the Rivannah Rifle and Pistol Club near Charlottesville (thanks, again, to RRPC for their hospitality!), I was asked if I could address VCDL's position on open carry vs concealed carry. It turned out that one person who might normally have come to the meeting didn't do so because he apparently didn't like VCDL promoting open carry. I addressed the issue at the meeting, but the more I thought of it, the more I thought it should be addressed on VA-ALERT, as it had been a while since we have done so.
    While VCDL's predecessor organization (NVCDL) was formed in 1994 specifically to push for concealed carry reform, VCDL does not promote one form of carry over the other. In fact, at VCDL events we don't even suggest that anyone carry at all. We have always felt that our members can decide for themselves as to whether they want to carry at an event openly or concealed, or even carry at all for that matter.
    VCDL does not sponsor open carry or concealed carry events at all. We may sponsor an event celebrating a legislative victory, such as the end of the restaurant ban, but we leave the decision on whether or not to carry and the carry method up to the individual.
    We WILL remind you if the law requires a certain form of carry for those that are carrying. For example, when we held some of our picnics in State Parks, we reminded everyone that concealed carry is required by law for those carrying. Same for open carrying in a restaurant that serves alcohol hosting an event before July 1, 2010.
    There are two camps of thought on open carry:
    1. Open carry is a right that helps advance our visibility, educates the public by disproving the TV & movie stereotypes that the only people who carry guns are cops or bad guys, moves our rights forward, and doesn't require government permission
    2. Open carry is a right, but politically dangerous, is too much "in-your-face," takes away tactical advantages, and could end up being banned or hurting our gun rights
    VCDL, as an organization, does not subscribe to camp #2's view of open carry. While we don't encourage or discourage open carry, we have found that it has been an avenue to showing the general public that everyday people, including friends and neighbors, are gun owners and carry a gun in a responsible manner for self-defense.
    But this issue is more complicated, with each method of carry having advantages and disadvantages:
    Open carry is more comfortable, especially in the hot summertime. It allows fast access to the handgun in an emergency. It can deter crime by a criminal seeing the gun and deciding to not go forward with a crime, keeping the gun owner from even having to draw the gun (lots of such cases documented, including within VCDL membership). HOWEVER, you had better know the gun laws and know if you are in a "no carry" zone. Although quite rare, you might be asked to leave private property. IF YOU ARE ask to leave, do NOT demand that the property be POSTED! Just politely leave.
    Concealed carry can allow a handgun to be presented in a way that is a surprise to criminal who has begun an attack, which, although generally slower than open carry, can be a tactical advantage in many cases because it allows YOU to decide whether or not to present your firearm. It is very handy if you have inadvertently wandered into a location where you aren't supposed to have a gun. Since the gun is hidden, no one knows that you goofed up. It also avoids the problem of carrying on private property where open carry is prohibited.
    The argument by camp #2 that makes me pull out what is left of my hair is that if someone open carries, they could cause us to lose that right.
    My response to that argument is simple:
    1. If you are afraid to exercise a right because it might be taken away, then you don't really have that right in the first place and
    2. If you are not exercising a right and don't feel that others should either, then what do you really care if that right is taken away or not?
    VCDL will strongly fight to protect both methods of carry from any attack in the General Assembly.
    And the debate goes on... If you wish to comment on this alert, you can do so on VCDL's blog site:
    http://blog.vcdl.org


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    peter nap wrote:
    magnetic VCDL sign
    available at http://edsmags.com :-)
    Carry On.

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    ed wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    magnetic VCDL sign
    available at http://edsmags.com :-)
    Shamless Ed plug:P

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    Well said, Philip Van Cleave. IMHO.





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    I wonder if that person's view of "promoting open carry" means that lots of folks do at the events.

    Maybe he/she plain hates open carry.

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    wrote:

    I often disagree with some of VCDL's positions and flat hate an Executive Member or two, I've never been ashamed of being a member.

    Every once in a while, Philip Van Cleave, President of VCDL, will reach down in his magic hat and say something that makes me want to go wax my magnetic VCDL sign on my truck.
    Today is such a day.

    1+, except I wouldn't use hate,I strongly dislike and avoid them if possible.
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


    ~Alan Korwin

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    I was able to use this Alert yesterday at Virginia Arms on an employee who all but guaranteed me that everyone but myself that carries a gun has found that open carrying hurts the gun movement. I mentioned this alert and the conversation pretty much ended.

    ***I also received this same attitude towards OC from Sharp Shooters***

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    richarcm wrote:

    ***I also received this same attitude towards OC from Sharp Shooters***
    That doesn't surprise me in the least.

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    Some people are only able to see in black and white

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