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Today I went to an appointment at the UVA medical center. I have never been therebefore. I was "asked" to leave as I was in violation of UVA "policy" in regards to firearms possession on univ. grounds, while OCing.
I would appreciate any assistance in learning about this apparent "violation", as I was not of the opinion that as a non-student/faculty/employee I had any reason to need to be concerned about a "school policy."
I have been loosely following the GMU case, and as I recall it may be a similar set of circumstances.
VCDL and and an atty, advice seems to indicate that this is a matter that is currently unresolved. That is UVA, and VCU feel that they have legal standing to prohibit OC and it has not been tested/resolved ina courtroom.
I will share more details laterperhaps, but I want to get some help with the applicable legal basis as it pertains to this, before getting muddied up with specifics. I will say that I was not able to see my physician to receive medical treatment, and I was given a trespass warning. Apparently, I did not comply fast enough for the Director of Security. (insert don't taze me bro joke)
From the UVA police website:
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Visitors:
The possession, storage or use of any firearm, weapon, ammunition, or explosives within any University facility by anyone, except a law enforcement officer, without the prior written permission of the University’s Chief of Police or his designee is prohibited.
I was unaware of this, there was no posted signage to this effect, and I do not believe that it follows state law. Public place, public university, legal behavior. This is not the first time I have carried on the grounds, and I did not know that this was even a policy that was being applied to non-students/faculty/employees.
It states "within any University facility" which seems to indicate that being in a building, vs. open air is a significant difference. Odd.
From the UVA police website:
The University, as with any other public or private entity, cannot assure or guarantee a crime free living or working environment. Accordingly, it is the responsibility of members of the University community to act in a security conscious manner and to avoid actions which jeopardize their security as well as the security of others. Members of the faculty, staff, and student body should report all crimes, hazards, emergencies, or dangerous situations to the Police Department.
I'll be damned, but I thought my 3 year old baby girl and I were doing exactly that! I attempted to provided us "assurances" of "crime free living." I have many years of research, licensing, training, practice and experience that shows a personal firearm is the most effective form of "acting in a security conscious manner."
My firearm of choice that day was actually identical to the one I was provided by the federal government to carry in the cockpit of airliners back in the good old days. I guess I really am missing the point here?
Today I went to an appointment at the UVA medical center. I have never been therebefore. I was "asked" to leave as I was in violation of UVA "policy" in regards to firearms possession on univ. grounds, while OCing.
I would appreciate any assistance in learning about this apparent "violation", as I was not of the opinion that as a non-student/faculty/employee I had any reason to need to be concerned about a "school policy."
I have been loosely following the GMU case, and as I recall it may be a similar set of circumstances.
VCDL and and an atty, advice seems to indicate that this is a matter that is currently unresolved. That is UVA, and VCU feel that they have legal standing to prohibit OC and it has not been tested/resolved ina courtroom.
I will share more details laterperhaps, but I want to get some help with the applicable legal basis as it pertains to this, before getting muddied up with specifics. I will say that I was not able to see my physician to receive medical treatment, and I was given a trespass warning. Apparently, I did not comply fast enough for the Director of Security. (insert don't taze me bro joke)
From the UVA police website:
BACK TO TOP
Visitors:
The possession, storage or use of any firearm, weapon, ammunition, or explosives within any University facility by anyone, except a law enforcement officer, without the prior written permission of the University’s Chief of Police or his designee is prohibited.
I was unaware of this, there was no posted signage to this effect, and I do not believe that it follows state law. Public place, public university, legal behavior. This is not the first time I have carried on the grounds, and I did not know that this was even a policy that was being applied to non-students/faculty/employees.
It states "within any University facility" which seems to indicate that being in a building, vs. open air is a significant difference. Odd.
From the UVA police website:
The University, as with any other public or private entity, cannot assure or guarantee a crime free living or working environment. Accordingly, it is the responsibility of members of the University community to act in a security conscious manner and to avoid actions which jeopardize their security as well as the security of others. Members of the faculty, staff, and student body should report all crimes, hazards, emergencies, or dangerous situations to the Police Department.
I'll be damned, but I thought my 3 year old baby girl and I were doing exactly that! I attempted to provided us "assurances" of "crime free living." I have many years of research, licensing, training, practice and experience that shows a personal firearm is the most effective form of "acting in a security conscious manner."
My firearm of choice that day was actually identical to the one I was provided by the federal government to carry in the cockpit of airliners back in the good old days. I guess I really am missing the point here?