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    My wife was shopping in Fryes (Silverbell & Cortaro ~ Marana) 'n spied this guy with his wife and kids. The guy was carrying a pistol (unknown as to what) stuck in his waistband in the middle of his back (no holster) with a t-shirt over it. The t-shirt had ridden up 'n behind the grip... Not the best way to carry. I don't think it even legal w/o a holster. She didn't say anything to him... but I would'a if I'd seen it.



    What would you guys do or say had you observed this 'act'?

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    I would have kept track of him while still in the store. Once I finished shopping he and the store would be on their own.
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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    My wife was shopping in Fryes (Silverbell & Cortaro ~ Marana) 'n spied this guy with his wife and kids. The guy was carrying a pistol (unknown as to what) stuck in his waistband in the middle of his back (no holster) with a t-shirt over it. The t-shirt had ridden up 'n behind the grip... Not the best way to carry. I don't think it even legal w/o a holster. She didn't say anything to him... but I would'a if I'd seen it.



    What would you guys do or say had you observed this 'act'?

    I don't recall any legal requirement for a holster, but if you carry that way, you'd probably better have a CWP (currently), as it is arguably at least partially concealed. It's also horribly unsecure.

    Not that I've never done a quick waistband tuck from the car holster to hit a walk-up ATM or similar....


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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    My wife was shopping in Fryes (Silverbell & Cortaro ~ Marana) 'n spied this guy with his wife and kids. The guy was carrying a pistol (unknown as to what) stuck in his waistband in the middle of his back (no holster) with a t-shirt over it. The t-shirt had ridden up 'n behind the grip... Not the best way to carry. I don't think it even legal w/o a holster. She didn't say anything to him... but I would'a if I'd seen it.



    What would you guys do or say had you observed this 'act'?
    She's sure he didn't have an SOB holster? I have one that I use that is practically impossible to see.

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    She carries a gun too. This was 'butt crack' carry.

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    I hope it was stainless!!

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    PavePusher wrote:[/quote]

    I don't recall any legal requirement for a holster, but if you carry that way, you'd probably better have a CWP (currently), as it is arguably at least partially concealed.* It's also horribly unsecure.
    I doubt I'd notice or care except to the extent that if a gun like that should go conspicuously crashing to the floor like it did with that guy in Wal-mart (what is it about Wal-mart and guns, anyway?) it'd become, like, a whole media event.

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    Well, FWIW, my .02 is the guy was clearly an idiot. Anyone from "the community" doesn't carry like that. Anyone who is former LEO or .mil sure the hell doesn't. My guess is he was one of those "casual shoppers" who knows just enough about AZ law to be dangerous (literally and figuratively). Condition Orange for sure until you or he left the store.
    My location says I am from Sierra Vista, AZ which is where I live now but I actually lived in MO for 26 years! So please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I post in the Missouri forum!

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    mFonz77 wrote:
    [ Condition Orange for sure until you or he left the store.
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    I was embarrassed to ask before, thought I'd figure it out on my own... I still don't know so I'll throw the question out there , will you or someone else fill me in on "carry conditions" I've seen them as numbers and colors but can't figure out what is what. Thanks in advance

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    mrh2008 wrote:
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    [ Condition Orange for sure until you or he left the store.
    I was embarrassed to ask before, thought I'd figure it out on my own... I still don't know so I'll throw the question out there , will you or someone else fill me in on "carry conditions" I've seen them as numbers and colors but can't figure out what is what. Thanks in advance



    I've been there-- Googling it is kind of like going into a black hole and there is not much out there on the subject. Basically (and other members please add/correct as necessary):

    Condition White - this is akin to "No Awareness". This is the condition you would most likely be at inside your own home or other secured area (ie, place with armed guards paid to protect you, etc...). You are not concerned with your surroundings and may or may not be armed (but you have easy and timely access to armament, such as a pistol in a desk drawer or by your bedstand, etc...)

    Condition Yellow - standard state of "General Awareness" of your surroundings. You are aware of where you are, where you came from, where you're going, who is around you, and what they're doing (or not doing). Basically as soon as you step outside you should be in this mode. You are constantly scanning your environment for possible reasons to elevate to Orange.

    Condition Orange - elevated state of "Specific Awareness" You see something that COULD constitute a threat and you formulate plans. Such as , you see someone walking strangely down the street with one hand inside his/her shirt, so you start to watch that person closely (while also maintaining general awareness of the rest of your environment). You formulate a plan with a SPECIFIC action that would cause you to elevate to Red, such as "If that person draws a weapon, I will draw mine and fire."

    Condition Red - "Fight" or "Emergency" This condition should ONLY be entered into as a response to a specific trigger you have decided upon while in Condition Orange. This is the state where you are actually using physical or deadly force and/or evading and escaping.

    The states can be shifted into and out of frequently but ALWAYS go in order, IE, you can't go from White to Red without passing through yellow and orange, even if only for a split second.

    ETA: Just got done writing this, and decided to google again, and found this:
    http://www.selfdefenseresource.com/g...olor-codes.php

    Hope this helps.

    ETA: This one's better: http://www.teddytactical.com/Sharpen...0Awareness.htm

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    My location says I am from Sierra Vista, AZ which is where I live now but I actually lived in MO for 26 years! So please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I post in the Missouri forum!

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    He could have had a well concealed IWB holster, few weeks ago i was at a gun show, and the holster guy showed me all kinds of IWB holsters, quite a few of them were so good, you couldnt tell there was even a holster on him.

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    >meso.40< wrote:
    He could have had a well concealed IWB holster, few weeks ago i was at a gun show, and the holster guy showed me all kinds of IWB holsters, quite a few of them were so good, you couldnt tell there was even a holster on him.
    Possible. However, IWBs are usually not recommended for OC due to lack of retention.

    Have you got any links to these products though? I'd LOVE an IWB without visible belt clips, if such a product exists...
    My location says I am from Sierra Vista, AZ which is where I live now but I actually lived in MO for 26 years! So please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I post in the Missouri forum!

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    well chances are he was going for CC.
    And ill see if i can find a few for you. They seem to be pretty secure, although i never tried them

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    mFonz77 wrote:
    >meso.40< wrote:
    He could have had a well concealed IWB holster, few weeks ago i was at a gun show, and the holster guy showed me all kinds of IWB holsters, quite a few of them were so good, you couldnt tell there was even a holster on him.
    Possible. However, IWBs are usually not recommended for OC due to lack of retention.

    Have you got any links to these products though? I'd LOVE an IWB without visible belt clips, if such a product exists...
    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

    Goofy, but invisible.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

    This one the guy said you could carry on the small of your back, so it is more comfortable



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    >meso.40< wrote:
    mFonz77 wrote:
    >meso.40< wrote:
    He could have had a well concealed IWB holster, few weeks ago i was at a gun show, and the holster guy showed me all kinds of IWB holsters, quite a few of them were so good, you couldnt tell there was even a holster on him.
    Possible. However, IWBs are usually not recommended for OC due to lack of retention.

    Have you got any links to these products though? I'd LOVE an IWB without visible belt clips, if such a product exists...
    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

    Goofy, but invisible.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

    This one the guy said you could carry on the small of your back, so it is more comfortable

    Wow, the 2nd one evenallows for an 'automatic pistol' or a revolver, but not a semi-auto?

    "It has two slots: one for an automatic pistol and one for a revolver."

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    While certainly not ideal, I would argue Mexi carry to be safe with many heavy DA trigger guns. But it is stupid looking.
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    mFonz77 wrote:
    mrh2008 wrote:
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    [ Condition Orange for sure until you or he left the store.
    I was embarrassed to ask before, thought I'd figure it out on my own... I still don't know so I'll throw the question out there , will you or someone else fill me in on "carry conditions" I've seen them as numbers and colors but can't figure out what is what. Thanks in advance



    I've been there-- Googling it is kind of like going into a black hole and there is not much out there on the subject. Basically (and other members please add/correct as necessary):


    Also, don't be afraid to ask questions, friend! That's how you get better. No one is born knowing anything!
    Thank you very much! Was great info for me, now i know.

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    mrh2008 wrote:
    I was embarrassed to ask before, thought I'd figure it out on my own... I still don't know so I'll throw the question out there , will you or someone else fill me in on "carry conditions" I've seen them as numbers and colors but can't figure out what is what. Thanks in advance
    The color code that mfonz77 described is a continuum of mental awareness (White to Black).

    There is also a set of numeric carry "conditions of pistol readiness" that you don't see mentioned much anymore.

    Condition 1 - "Cocked and locked." Chambered round, safety on and hammer cocked (applies primarily to 1911's). For your typical non-1911, it's one in the chamber and ready to fire, but with whatever manualsafety you have on the gun fully engaged.

    Condition 2 - Gun is decocked, or "hammer down." Most modern pistols with a visbile hammer have a decock mode. Usually the safety lever has a dual purpose.

    Condition 3 - Hammer down on an emtpy chamber, but you still have a magazine seated in the gun. You'll need to chamber a round as part of getting ready to fire.

    Condition 4 - Hammer down on an unloaded gun without any magazine in the gun. Basically an expensive rock. Jokenly called "Embassy Carry" because that's how the Marines at embassies carried (do they still?)their sidearms.

    Depending on your pistol, Condition 1 or 2is thepreferred method to carry. Many models with decockers won't let you engage the safety unless the gun is decocked, so condition 1 is out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    She carries a gun too. This was 'butt crack' carry.
    could you get me the SN of the gun? i do not want to buy it off of GOA or other gun sale site. \

    Would more than likely be a "crappy deal"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    My wife was shopping in Fryes (Silverbell & Cortaro ~ Marana) 'n spied this guy with his wife and kids. The guy was carrying a pistol (unknown as to what) stuck in his waistband in the middle of his back (no holster) with a t-shirt over it. The t-shirt had ridden up 'n behind the grip... Not the best way to carry. I don't think it even legal w/o a holster. She didn't say anything to him... but I would'a if I'd seen it.



    What would you guys do or say had you observed this 'act'?
    first off unless your wife inspected him well there is no way to truely know if wasnt wearing a holster-i only say this because my wife and i use crossbreed supertucks mine behind my hip her in the middle of her back if our shirts ride up just behind the life saver then it appears to be gangster carry(no holster)-but we have yet to have it do this on its own,if it was truely gangster carry its illegal,just like shoulder holsters and thigh rigs that dont hook to the belt thats for open carry,ccw you could just throw it in your pocket no mention of belt holster for cc but after 7/29 who cares-i never carry gangster style,what if it falls down your pant leg but just me...
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    I dunno, I just think that it looks tacky when you are open carrying that way, but I know some that feel very comfortable carrying that way but with it concealed. I guess it is up to the person and hopefully they are not doing it just to look "cool" (which is what other people who don't carry usually see it as). Just my 2.

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