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    My wife went to the social security office today at van dyke and hall rd. to legally change her name after our marriage, and they had a no firearms sign. I stayed in the car cause I refuse to disarm unless I have to, but I got to thinking... Is this legal? I mean, if secretary of state isn't a PFZ, I'd be inclined to think the social security office would also not be allowed to have a no firearms sign.
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    Social Security is federal. I've never even thought about it, but you probably shouldn't have even been in their parking lot with it, same as a post office.

    No cites or anything, just using my own reasoning mechanisms inside my head.

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    From what I recall its because the SSA is a federal property, and falls under the same federal laws as a Post Office or military facility, such as a recruiting station.

    Sec. of State, being a state run entity, is regulated by state law.

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    The minimum gun ban on federal property is 18 USC 930 (no guns in federal "facilities," which is defined as a "building" whre federal employees work - not parking lots, outhouses,etc.).

    After that, you mainly have to chase down agency regulations published in the Code of Federal Regulations) - which are also the land of the land. Many such regs, e.g., postal service reg., bans guns even in parking lots open to the public.





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    I understand standing on principle, but by staying in the car, you wouldn't even be able to provide hand-to-hand defense of your wife if she needed assistance. Often, simply the presence of a male escort can be enough deterrent to protect a lady.

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    I was hoping you were right malignity.

    They have a sign up as a result of a guilty conscience IMO, the way they treat people down there. Im afraid someone will eventually get fed upwith the crap they pull and actually go in and shoot up the place. It would serve them right too, not just for violating A2, but they are such a condescending burocracy. Ihave always been a little nervous when going into these places, even before I even owned a gun.

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    I read this board daily without having ever registered. Today I registered just to say say this is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

    I bet Timothy McVeigh kind of felt the same way when he killed 168 people. Maybe he was tired of their "condescending "bureaucracy."


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    Im afraid someone will eventually get fed upwith the crap they pull and actually go in and shoot up the place. It would serve them right too, not just for violating A2, but they are such a condescending burocracy.

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    GM wrote:
    I read this board daily without having ever registered. Today I registered just to say say this is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

    I bet Timothy McVeigh kind of felt the same way when he killed 168 people. Maybe he was tired of their "condescending "bureaucracy."


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    Im afraid someone will eventually get fed upwith the crap they pull and actually go in and shoot up the place. It would serve them right too, not just for violating A2, but they are such a condescending burocracy.
    If you read the board daily, stupid things being said by stainless shouldn't be a surprise.

    Stainless,
    Would you like to know how to relieve yourself of the condescending burocracy?

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    wow. statements like that are just food for anti-gun idiots. pathetic.

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    Cause, the internet is serious guys.

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    ElectricianLU58 wrote:
    wow. statements like that are just food for anti-gun idiots. pathetic.
    DING DING DING...we have a winner folks.

    Stainless, first think THEN type.

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    The internet is serious when anti gunners troll your boards looking for ammunition against you...

    Remember, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of public opinion.

    ETA: Advocating that kind of blatant terrorist idiocy is going to get you in trouble someday. It might even be a violation of your CPL. :shock:

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    What CPL?

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    i guess people have already forgotten about the hutaree? gun owners don't need soiled by terrorist filth or comments that can be construed as such. keep it off the boards.
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    Ok, I get it, and I do think before I post, but Istill call it as I see it.

    All Im trying to say, is that if you poke a stick at a dog and it bites you, then dont blame the dog.

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    stainless1911 wrote:
    Ok, I get it, and I do think before I post, but Istill call it as I see it.

    All Im trying to say, is that if you poke a stick at a dog and it bites you, then dont blame the dog.
    ...though what you've said is more like 'if you poke a stick at a dog and the dog bites someone else in your stead, encourage him.'

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    I dont encourage or condone it, but I get it, thats all.

    Its hard for me to just bite my tongue just because some .gov spy or anti might be watching. They dont care about my rights, safety, or country, therefore I care little if they are offended, called out, put on the spot, reminded of truth and so on.

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    ElectricianLU58 wrote:
    wow. statements like that are just food for anti-gun idiots. pathetic.
    He's not anti-gun.

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    ISMOID wrote:
    ElectricianLU58 wrote:
    wow. statements like that are just food for anti-gun idiots. pathetic.
    He's not anti-gun.
    he's not saying stainless is anti gun, he's saying that the anti gun people will use statements like that against us. and he's right
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    My issue with the statement is that the "them" that you are referring to is someone's husband or wife, daughter, uncle, etc. None of the ones you refer to as "them" have one ounce of control over the system you appear to hate so much.

    Basically you imply that you see nothing wrong with someone going into the Social Security office and "shooting" the place up. You might if one of your family members worked there or one of your family members was there when it happened maybe?

    As far as .Gov spy or anti at this point it wont help if you were wearing the tinfoil hat under the Faraday cage. It can't be to hard to register, list your posts and see when you were talked to RE: OC vs. CC on school property, where and what court your case was assigned to, etc.

    Furthermore to imply that "they" don't care about your rights, safety or country is just asinine. Who is they? How many people make up this "they" social group? Is there a median income cutoff? Seriously who is the "they" that you refer to?


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    I dont encourage or condone it, but I get it, thats all.

    Its hard for me to just bite my tongue just because some .gov spy or anti might be watching. They dont care about my rights, safety, or country, therefore I care little if they are offended, called out, put on the spot, reminded of truth and so on.

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    Some people should think before they post PERIOD!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    GM wrote:
    My issue with the statement is that the "them" that you are referring to is someone's husband or wife, daughter, uncle, etc. None of the ones you refer to as "them" have one ounce of control over the system you appear to hate so much.

    Basically you imply that you see nothing wrong with someone going into the Social Security office and "shooting" the place up. You might if one of your family members worked there or one of your family members was there when it happened maybe?

    As far as .Gov spy or anti at this point it wont help if you were wearing the tinfoil hat under the Faraday cage. It can't be to hard to register, list your posts and see when you were talked to RE: OC vs. CC on school property, where and what court your case was assigned to, etc.

    Furthermore to imply that "they" don't care about your rights, safety or country is just asinine. Who is they? How many people make up this "they" social group? Is there a median income cutoff? Seriously who is the "they" that you refer to?


    stainless1911 wrote:
    I dont encourage or condone it, but I get it, thats all.

    Its hard for me to just bite my tongue just because some .gov spy or anti might be watching. They dont care about my rights, safety, or country, therefore I care little if they are offended, called out, put on the spot, reminded of truth and so on.
    +1

    Not to mention that even if we conform to your description of 'they', the thing to remember is that you should care because this 'they' is the same 'they' that will use statements like this to further infringe upon your rights.:celebrate

    ETA: The banana is not for celebration, the banana is because my girlfriend said I shouldn't put a banana there

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    anything to keep the ladies happy
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    I have no misconceptions. The police know exactly who I am, and I have no problem with that. I am not a criminal, nor am I otherwise a problem for them.I appreciate most of what they do, and for the most part how they do it.What rubs me the wrong way, is when they watch the communications of the citizenry in hopes to catch them doing or saying something thats politically incorrect, or hoping to catch them in some grey area or technicality. Or profiling people or constructing some watch list. I know what freedom isnt, and when you have to watch what you say, because big bothermay beeavesdropping,it isnt freedom.



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    How the hell did my topic go from asking if a sign was illegal to murder sprees? This kind of bickering, REGARDLESS OF THE TOPIC is not helping our cause. Stainless is obviously on one end of the spectrum of things, and the majority of us are on another.

    Stop hijacking my thread and turning it into BS; cause I personally don't want any involvement in this conversation cause it's only going to lead down a negative road FOR EVERYONE. Since I can't lock my own thread, someone seriously needs to do it for me. Where the hell are the admins when you need them?
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