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    Yeah, I know, they're not likely to make things much easier on us, but we might as well try. Please fill out this survey :celebrate
    http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/survey/deermanagement.htm

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    This cracks me up. Folks who hit deer with their vehicles do so because they are not paying attention 95% of the time to what is going on and are driving too fast.

    The deer were here first and should not be "controlled" unless there is rampant disease and malnutrition caused by lack of available food sources. People can put up fencing to keep deer out but it has to be higher than four feet. I see deer in the spring and the fall when walking two large dogs on leashes in the very early morning. I am close enough (less than 200 feet) to get a good shot at them but am in a highly residential area and it would be reckless to try and attempt to "harvest" the deer in any manner without endangering the residents or drivers in the area.

    I'm surprised the local chapter of PETA hasn't started making a fuss, lol.

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    I don't buy the "deer were here first" argument. Deer are a nuisance and should be controlled, in a humane way of course. The fence would need to be a lot higher than 4 feet, more like 12-15 feet. When the deer are out, I could shoot 5-10 a night on my property without having to get off my deck, but I can't eat that much deer meat. I do wish a lot more people hunted.

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    There are large swaths of land in FFX Co where deer can/are shot each year, sometimes by FCPD w/ rifles at night, whilst getting paid overtime. Not too efficient...
    Encouraging more bow-hunting won't do a thing to hurt anyone or anything, unless you are, in fact, a member of PETA.

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    I have friends who own property that backs up to the "buffer zone" west of GMU. Beautiful forested land, but their neighborhood is lousy with deer. As is all of Fairfax city, Centreville, Chantilly, and Manassass...

    I've forwarded the link to this poll to her, and told her to send it on to all her friends. She's not a hunter, but I know she's FOR controlling the deer population, because in NoVa its gotten out of control...
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    Deer were here first, but so were mountain lion and wolves to balance things. We eliminated the wolf and mountain lion from the east cost so it is up to us to keep the deer population in check. I have hunted the northwest areas of Fairfax Co. with land owners permission and a bow. To many non natives around that don't like the sound of firearms. Interesting though, I have seen better trophy's in NoVA than where I hunt out in the valley.

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    SNIP Encouraging more bow-hunting won't do a thing to hurt anyone or anything, unless you are, in fact, a member of PETA.
    With all the bile they spew, I'll be PETA's arebitter and stringy. No amount of game-stew seasoning is gonna get rid of that taste.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    gis wrote:
    I don't buy the "deer were here first" argument. Deer are a nuisance and should be controlled, in a humane way of course. The fence would need to be a lot higher than 4 feet, more like 12-15 feet. When the deer are out, I could shoot 5-10 a night on my property without having to get off my deck, but I can't eat that much deer meat. I do wish a lot more people hunted.
    Have you heard of Hunters for the Hungry?


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    virginiatuck wrote:
    gis wrote:
    I don't buy the "deer were here first" argument. Deer are a nuisance and should be controlled, in a humane way of course. The fence would need to be a lot higher than 4 feet, more like 12-15 feet. When the deer are out, I could shoot 5-10 a night on my property without having to get off my deck, but I can't eat that much deer meat. I do wish a lot more people hunted.
    Have you heard of Hunters for the Hungry?
    Interesting. Never heard of them. Will look intoit in the fall.

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    bohdi wrote:
    This cracks me up. Folks who hit deer with their vehicles do so because they are not paying attention 95% of the time to what is going on and are driving too fast.

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    My brother lives in Gainesville, and used to drive his oldest son to the bus stop in the early AM.

    One day they were just sitting by the side of the road waiting for the bus and BAM! a deer broadsided his stationary truck.

    When they dart out right in front of you, you have NO reaction time.

    I think that some may be depressed & suicidal.

    We need to start an organization that will provide Zanax for these poor creatures.

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    GB - like humans, some animals are just plain stupid. We need a deer talker to determine the depression part. What's the matter Buck? Can't find a Doe?Is your undersized rack getting you made fun of? Don't end it all, there's a better way....

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    bohdi wrote:
    GB - like humans, some animals are just plain stupid. We need a deer talker to determine the depression part. What's the matter Buck? Can't find a Doe?Is your undersized rack getting you made fun of? Don't end it all, there's a better way....
    "But my antlers are all fuzzy 'n sh*t."

    And there's a joke in there about the undersized rack part, but in deference to our fairer members, I won't touch it.

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    virginiatuck wrote:
    gis wrote:
    I don't buy the "deer were here first" argument. Deer are a nuisance and should be controlled, in a humane way of course. The fence would need to be a lot higher than 4 feet, more like 12-15 feet. When the deer are out, I could shoot 5-10 a night on my property without having to get off my deck, but I can't eat that much deer meat. I do wish a lot more people hunted.
    Have you heard of Hunters for the Hungry?
    We use this program when we control the deer at our airport. Has worked out fairly well, though I couldn't tell you where the deer meat ended up.

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    This comment reflects the inexperienced opinion of somebody who has little experience driving wooded suburban/rural roads at night.


    bohdi wrote:
    This cracks me up. Folks who hit deer with their vehicles do so because they are not paying attention 95% of the time to what is going on and are driving too fast.

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    W.E.G. wrote:
    This comment reflects the inexperienced opinion of somebody who has little experience driving wooded suburban/rural roads at night.


    bohdi wrote:
    This cracks me up. Folks who hit deer with their vehicles do so because they are not paying attention 95% of the time to what is going on and are driving too fast.
    Lol. Sez you.


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    bohdi wrote:
    W.E.G. wrote:
    This comment reflects the inexperienced opinion of somebody who has little experience driving wooded suburban/rural roads at night.


    bohdi wrote:
    This cracks me up. Folks who hit deer with their vehicles do so because they are not paying attention 95% of the time to what is going on and are driving too fast.
    Â*Lol. Sez you.
    Â*Lol. Sez me too. Like ya Bohdi, but deer will jump out from inside bushes/trees w/ no warning and with apparent suicidal intent. I've never hit one, but I KNOW it's because I'm lucky and doesn't go much further than that.
    Let's pass this petition on to anyone who'll expand our hunting rights. Thanks.

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    Lolz sayz the crowds. Heck, I like you fine folks too. Hence I threw in a percentage, not an absolute. I don't disagree that mad deer disease exists, some deer you just can't miss unless you don't drive. Especially when they run at you like Lawrence Taylor with a full head of steam from your blind side......

    When I'm walking the hellhounds in the morning, I see the deer. In my neighorhood. The dogs see them and if I didn't have a gentle lead harness over their muzzles they'd be dragging me after them. I typically see 3 -5 a morning eating the grasses in common areas between the houses where the gas pipeline goes, as well as in peoples yards. I'm close enough where I could get a great shot, though the ramifications of missing are pretty high. It's that tightly packed. I've often thought about how easy it would be especially with a good rifle and a scope to take at least one a day down. That would probably rankle the sensativities of the folks in the neighborhood though, and I don't see many allowing it. Especially if there was a miss because you are either going directly at a house or at the traffic on 28. There are only two spots that would be ideal to sit and wait for them that I have seen them, so it's not impossible from a safety perspective. I'm sure the tree huggers would be up in arms though :0

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    lol at the survey question:

    "Police sharpshooting on public parkland"


    I can just see some FCPD sharpshooter decked out in tactical gear at burke lake park going after deer.

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    I have had deer run into a rear quarter-panel after we had slowed to 5 mph to drive past it.

    In Richmond, they do have an urban archery season. My front yard day lillies have been decimated for the second year in a row. Deer also eat the fallen crabapples from my tree. Three deer almost landed on a guys pick-up last month while I walked my dogs. One recently met its demise on the major thoroughfare a few blocks away.

    I could take them from my roof but the neighborhood is just too tight; an arrow stuck buck jumping through my old neighbors picture window is unacceptable, and no firearms are allowed.








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    nova wrote:
    lol at the survey question:

    "Police sharpshooting on public parkland"


    I can just see some FCPD sharpshooter decked out in tactical gear at burke lake park going after deer.
    Get with the program!

    They already have been doing it for several years.

    http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/eqa...8/wildlife.pdf

    "The use of professional animal control personnel, police experts, or qualified
    and experienced volunteers has been proved to be a safe, cost-effective and
    successful means of management if lethal methods are employed. Earlier
    experience with this method in Fairfax County has led to significant refinements
    and greatly improved cost-effectiveness, with a cost per deer taken ranging
    from $4.15 to $22.97. The most recent data indicate a cost of $29.58 per deer
    taken. In the 2007-2008 season, 76 does and 43 bucks were taken by
    sharpshooters, for a total of 119 deer. Once again, the number of deer removed
    from the population by this method is not sufficient to have more than a modest
    local effect. However, the sharpshooter program has been so effective in our
    larger parks that vegetation has begun to recover and the focus can now shift to
    some of our smaller parks."


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    Some of these "smaller parks" are in highly residential areas. Like EC Lawrence. It splits across two sides of 28.

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    I live almost adjacent to the Occoquan Reservoir and could, if I wanted, sit on my front porch, in my underwear, with a cup of coffee and bow and arrow and get all the deer I wanted.

    But, I don't want to invest in all the stuff it takes to be a bow hunter; I have too many toys now that consume hundreds of dollars (handguns, cameras and Harley Davidsons).

    I used to attend a Church in Lorton (Fairfax County) that sits on 60 undeveloped acres (it it a historical Church); the property is LOUSY with deer. They findmany "unauthorized" deer stands on the property, which seemed to bother no one. The Pastor, who knew I was a gun hunter,once asked me if I wanted to bow hunt on the property. He was going to give me permission but I did not want to "gear-up" for bow and arrow.

    All my neighbors are frustrated about the damage the deer do to their gardens and lawns. Shrubs and flowers are always gnawled off, sometimes to the roots. A herd ran through my yard once, jumping the fences and breaking the pickets off the top of the fence slats. One ran out of a townhouse area right smack into the side of my wife's car causing $1500 in damage.

    As a motorcyclist, I do not drive at night, especially during the rutting season, for fear of hitting one. One person in my motorcycle club did hit one...lucky he was not hurt.

    I know many of the Parks in the area, especially ones with deer problems,have "lottery" type hunting. You put your name in a lottery and if you get picked, you are allowed to go in and hunt with rifles to your heart's content. A friend of mine did that and shot four deer in an hour. The ranger even usedaPark ATV to get the deer out.My friendwas about to leave, as four was the official limit, but the ranger said: "I just extented your 'limit' to four more; go kill 'em." The meat is donated to charity.

    It is interesting that different parts of the world have different "pests". I am in contact with a person on another forum (different topic) who lives in Austrailia. He gave up motorcycling because of the ever increasing, negativetraffic "encounters" with kangaroos.



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    I live almost adjacent to the Occoquan Reservoir and could, if I wanted, sit on my front porch, in my underwear, with a cup of coffee and bow and arrow and get all the deer I wanted.

    But, I don't want to invest in all the stuff it takes to be a bow hunter; I have too many toys now that consume hundreds of dollars (handguns, cameras and Harley Davidsons).

    I used to attend a Church in Lorton (Fairfax County) that sits on 60 undeveloped acres (it it a historical Church); the property is LOUSY with deer. They findmany "unauthorized" deer stands on the property, which seemed to bother no one. The Pastor, who knew I was a gun hunter,once asked me if I wanted to bow hunt on the property. He was going to give me permission but I did not want to "gear-up" for bow and arrow.

    All my neighbors are frustrated about the damage the deer do to their gardens and lawns. Shrubs and flowers are always gnawled off, sometimes to the roots. A herd ran through my yard once, jumping the fences and breaking the pickets off the top of the fence slats. One ran out of a townhouse area right smack into the side of my wife's car causing $1500 in damage.

    As a motorcyclist, I do not drive at night, especially during the rutting season, for fear of hitting one. One person in my motorcycle club did hit one...lucky he was not hurt.

    I know many of the Parks in the area, especially ones with deer problems,have "lottery" type hunting. You put your name in a lottery and if you get picked, you are allowed to go in and hunt with rifles to your heart's content. A friend of mine did that and shot four deer in an hour. The ranger even usedaPark ATV to get the deer out.My friendwas about to leave, as four was the official limit, but the ranger said: "I just extented your 'limit' to four more; go kill 'em." The meat is donated to charity.

    It is interesting that different parts of the world have different "pests". I am in contact with a person on another forum (different topic) who lives in Austrailia. He gave up motorcycling because of the ever increasing, negativetraffic "encounters" with kangaroos.

    At the risk of perpetuating an off-topic discussion: how about crossbow? Have you looked into that?

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    virginiatuck wrote:
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    At the risk of perpetuating an off-topic discussion: how about crossbow? Have you looked into that?
    That should save him some money:what:I've only got about $2500.00 in mine:P

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    W.E.G. wrote:
    nova wrote:
    lol at the survey question:

    "Police sharpshooting on public parkland"


    I can just see some FCPD sharpshooter decked out in tactical gear at burke lake park going after deer.
    Get with the program!

    They already have been doing it for several years.

    http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/eqa...8/wildlife.pdf

    "The use of professional animal control personnel, police experts, or qualified
    and experienced volunteers has been proved to be a safe, cost-effective and
    successful means of management if lethal methods are employed. Earlier
    experience with this method in Fairfax County has led to significant refinements
    and greatly improved cost-effectiveness, with a cost per deer taken ranging
    from $4.15 to $22.97. The most recent data indicate a cost of $29.58 per deer
    taken. In the 2007-2008 season, 76 does and 43 bucks were taken by
    sharpshooters, for a total of 119 deer. Once again, the number of deer removed
    from the population by this method is not sufficient to have more than a modest
    local effect. However, the sharpshooter program has been so effective in our
    larger parks that vegetation has begun to recover and the focus can now shift to
    some of our smaller parks."
    But do they wear their tac gear?

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