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Right to Keep and Bear Light Sabers
- Thread starter The Donkey
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daddy4count
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Legal yes... recommended? No... not if you have kids or tend to do silly things while inebriated.
:shock:
Those suckers are amazing... will absolutely super heat most objects to the point of ignition! Including your fingers so watch out!
Not really a light saber... since physics does not allow for a beam of energy to terminate AND remain... but it looks like one and has a beam that is visible in all but bright lighting and WILL burn sh*t!
F'n cool... dangerous but cool
Legal yes... recommended? No... not if you have kids or tend to do silly things while inebriated.
:shock:
Those suckers are amazing... will absolutely super heat most objects to the point of ignition! Including your fingers so watch out!
Not really a light saber... since physics does not allow for a beam of energy to terminate AND remain... but it looks like one and has a beam that is visible in all but bright lighting and WILL burn sh*t!
F'n cool... dangerous but cool
nonameisgood
Regular Member
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Not legal in the US. US consumer products are limited to about 5/1000 of a watt.
More power than that and you need a laser safety officer, a laser safety plan, state or federal license, and protective measures. Basically any laser that has enough power to blind or injure requires licensure.
Not legal in the US. US consumer products are limited to about 5/1000 of a watt.
More power than that and you need a laser safety officer, a laser safety plan, state or federal license, and protective measures. Basically any laser that has enough power to blind or injure requires licensure.
Tawnos
Regular Member
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nonameisgood wrote:
They simply may not be sold as laser pointers
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1040.10
nonameisgood wrote:
You're speaking out of your ass.
They simply may not be sold as laser pointers
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1040.10
Jack House
Regular Member
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Well, they just lost all credibility.
Batousaii
Regular Member
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Ya - thats hardcore... not too long there may be real laser rifles or pistols.
http://www.wickedlasers.com/index.php?refer=23037
Scifi of yesterday becomes reality of today.
Bat
Ya - thats hardcore... not too long there may be real laser rifles or pistols.
http://www.wickedlasers.com/index.php?refer=23037
Scifi of yesterday becomes reality of today.
Bat
Cavalryman
Campaign Veteran
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My objection to these things is not precisely with the device itself, but that it is being marketed in a way that downplays the fact that this thing is a weapon. It's too powerful to be reasonably called a toy, it isn't useful as a laser pointer, a laser level, a laser gunsight, or any of the other myriad of things that we use lasers for. It scorches things and burns out retinas without apparently having any other useful application. Sure, lots of things that were designed for other applications can be used as weapons, but so far as I can tell, this device doesn't have any other use. I don't necessarily think it should be prohibited, but it should be marketed in such a way as to make it clear that it is a weapon.
My objection to these things is not precisely with the device itself, but that it is being marketed in a way that downplays the fact that this thing is a weapon. It's too powerful to be reasonably called a toy, it isn't useful as a laser pointer, a laser level, a laser gunsight, or any of the other myriad of things that we use lasers for. It scorches things and burns out retinas without apparently having any other useful application. Sure, lots of things that were designed for other applications can be used as weapons, but so far as I can tell, this device doesn't have any other use. I don't necessarily think it should be prohibited, but it should be marketed in such a way as to make it clear that it is a weapon.
Tawnos
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Batousaii wrote:
Cavalry man, they actually market some of their lasers as weapons:
"enough to overwhelm an opponent's vision at up to 1km." http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_II_Pro-82-37.html
Batousaii wrote:
Nice referrer ID there. Advertising like that is usually considered in bad taste.Ya - thats hardcore... not too long there may be real laser rifles or pistols.
http://www.wickedlasers.com/index.php?refer=23037
Scifi of yesterday becomes reality of today.
Cavalry man, they actually market some of their lasers as weapons:
"enough to overwhelm an opponent's vision at up to 1km." http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_II_Pro-82-37.html
nonameisgood
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http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1040.10
Just because you want to do whatever you like, living in a civil society requires certain concessions to the public good. Lasers are regulated since they can injure at a distance, without warning or notice. Eye injury by laser is usually permanent and can be quite serious.
Unlike in the movies, a laser doesn't stop being dangerous four feet beyond the tip of your saber.
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1040.10
Just because you want to do whatever you like, living in a civil society requires certain concessions to the public good. Lasers are regulated since they can injure at a distance, without warning or notice. Eye injury by laser is usually permanent and can be quite serious.
Unlike in the movies, a laser doesn't stop being dangerous four feet beyond the tip of your saber.
Batousaii
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Chide me for doing it, then a sentence later do it yourself? I'd consider that rather impolite. I dont work for them so i have no reason to advertise. I simply thought it would be interesting reading as they are likely to be advanced into formidable weapons, maybe sooner than we expect.Small arms developmenthas always been a great interest of mine, and i thought you (all) might enjoy seeing the item and manufacturer that the thread was related to.
-Tawnos,i would not have expected that of you, abitsurprised tobe honest.
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Chide me for doing it, then a sentence later do it yourself? I'd consider that rather impolite. I dont work for them so i have no reason to advertise. I simply thought it would be interesting reading as they are likely to be advanced into formidable weapons, maybe sooner than we expect.Small arms developmenthas always been a great interest of mine, and i thought you (all) might enjoy seeing the item and manufacturer that the thread was related to.
-Tawnos,i would not have expected that of you, abitsurprised tobe honest.
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There are far more powerful industrial lasers available, including lasers that cut through steel like butter. But how long before somebody tries this: take ten of these things, or more, (they're less than $200 each) put them in a home made frame to focus all the beams on the same point. Voila, 10 times the energy on the same point. Not a portable weapon, but credibly a stationary one. How many would a varmint hunter need to fry a prairie dog at 1000 yards?
These things are dangerous as "consumer" devices and they're apparently being irresponsibly marketed as toys. Laser energy carries quite a distance. I don't see any reasonable consumer application and lots of opportunity for mischief.
But should they be banned or heavily regulated? Guns are dangerous if misused and most of us feel guns are over-regulated.
There are far more powerful industrial lasers available, including lasers that cut through steel like butter. But how long before somebody tries this: take ten of these things, or more, (they're less than $200 each) put them in a home made frame to focus all the beams on the same point. Voila, 10 times the energy on the same point. Not a portable weapon, but credibly a stationary one. How many would a varmint hunter need to fry a prairie dog at 1000 yards?
These things are dangerous as "consumer" devices and they're apparently being irresponsibly marketed as toys. Laser energy carries quite a distance. I don't see any reasonable consumer application and lots of opportunity for mischief.
But should they be banned or heavily regulated? Guns are dangerous if misused and most of us feel guns are over-regulated.
Tawnos
Regular Member
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Batousaii wrote:
Basically, wherever you got that link from, someone was duping you into advertising for them.
Batousaii wrote:
Not sure what you mean? Generally, when you see "?refer=#" it's a GET request to the server that indicates who the referrer/salesman is who linked to that particular product. In contrast, when there's a link that ends in .html, such as http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_II_Pro-82-37.html it's simply a webpage lookup and retrieval - no information sent where it increments a salesman's #. Notice that if you mouse over any of the links on the left, inside the site, you'd find the direct links match the format I sent. Additionally, going to the main page without the ?refer part will still take you to the same page.
Basically, wherever you got that link from, someone was duping you into advertising for them.
PT111
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Why should they be banned or regulated? The 2A says the right to bear arms, it does not say the right to bear items that use gunpowder. I see no difference between these and a 1911 or M-16 as far as 2A goes and the right to kep and bear them.
Citizen
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markand wrote:
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side."--old Corellian pirate proverb.
I'll keep my lead-slinging blaster until an electronic version comes into use. Preferrably one that looks a lot like a broomhandle Mauser.
markand wrote:
It isn't even a question worthy of discussion.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side."--old Corellian pirate proverb.
I'll keep my lead-slinging blaster until an electronic version comes into use. Preferrably one that looks a lot like a broomhandle Mauser.
Jack House
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Cavalryman wrote:
Cavalryman wrote:
Battery operated lighter, anyone?
The Donkey
New member
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Cavalryman wrote:
Cavalryman wrote:
Its not (yet)a species of objectthat the military uses (or at least acknowledges that they use) as a weapon. It is being marketed more as a toy than a weapon. Why is it entitled to any 2A protection at all under Miller and Heller? Should it not be regulable as an extremely dangerous toy, like fireworks for example?
Batousaii
Regular Member
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PT111 wrote:
PT111 wrote:
I tend to agree here, the 2A does not say "right to keep and bear guns" .. in says "ARMS". In my view, that would include Swords, knives, and lasers. If you can carry it and store it safely, you should not be infringed.
erichonda30
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PT111
Regular Member
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The Donkey wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Wasn't Reagan's Star Wars exactly this, just on a different scale? To say that it has to be exactly the same as what the military uses is going to exclude a lot of civilian weapons. NASA even used a laser to shoot an object left on the moon by one of the Apollo missions. And don't forget about laser guided missles and bombs.