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    I found out that England and Wales have this anti knife campaign going on, even aggressively posting signs in public areas. As I understand it, it's to threaten young people with prison time for carrying knives like most here have probably made a habit of since their early teens.



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    A new advertisement program is launched in UK. This program is aimed at turning young people away from knife crime. In this campaign, posters showing youngsters behind bars alongside the slogan ‘Carry a Knife and Lose Your Life’ will be displayed at bus stops across England and Wales. Also, TV and online adverts will include accounts from young people held in young offender institutions warning of the dangers of getting involved with knives. Now it remains to be seen how effectively does this slogan help change teenage violent mentality? Read more: http://debate.instablogs.com/entry/w...#ixzz0rDx36gWk
    It is a great lesson in what happens when people get lazy apathetic and stupid, and let their country go to hell in a hand basket. Many of our states aren't too far off from this either.

    Please consider the absurdity of this, and understand just how important your actions as an open carrier are. Even if you don't open carry regularly or at all, even just being a gun rights activist or armchair supporter helps prevent the spread of statist idiocy like this. This type of crap can happen ANYWHERE if people will allow it.

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    Wow.....wait....it IS legal for me to carry my knife right?
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    Shouldn't the sign say something like, "we already took away your best self defence option YEARS ago, and now the current best self defence tool you have now has got to go!"
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    American Boy With a Gun wrote:
    Wow.....wait....it IS legal for me to carry my knife right?
    I know warren changed their laws around, but last I checked they pretty much had a ban on knife possession outside of a certain list of activities like scouting events. So maybe, maybe not.
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    Well then, ive been breaking the law for a while now if its not legal. I couldve sworn at least a few warren cops have seen it, i keep it clipped on the outside of my pocket because i can get to it faster, and im not sure if id get hit with a CCW charge or something.....idk....anyone know where i could find out for sure?
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    American Boy With a Gun wrote:
    Well then, ive been breaking the law for a while now if its not legal. I couldve sworn at least a few warren cops have seen it, i keep it clipped on the outside of my pocket because i can get to it faster, and im not sure if id get hit with a CCW charge or something.....idk....anyone know where i could find out for sure?
    Since there is no state preemption law for knives, you have to look at State, County, and "Locality" Laws on Knives.

    Too bad the MI preemption law for firearms was not just made for "arms" (Webster: a means, as a weapon, of offense or defense).
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    Man England is worse off then i thought you cant even carry a knife now. I feel bad for the people over there they already took their guns. Now i guess you better learn to be like the Neo in the matrix and dodge bullets then go beat up your assailant.
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    The truly sad thing about England is that they are convinced that by demonizing particular OBJECTS they are somehow going to eliminate crime (which, ironically, they tend to be REALLY soft on).

    So now you're going to get people getting 5, 10, 15+ years in prison for carrying a knife ... but probation for the robbery and assault they actually carried out using that knife. And other criminals who carry out robberies and assaults WITHOUT knives will receive ONLY probation.

    The message seems to be "victimize whomever you want ... just don't you DARE do it with a knife or a gun!"

    I can't wait for the next anti-crime campaigns:

    "Carry a bat ... and you'll get exterminated like a rat!"
    "Carry a wrench ... and you'll get f*cked like a wench!"



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    PDinDetroit wrote:
    American Boy With a Gun wrote:
    Well then, ive been breaking the law for a while now if its not legal. I couldve sworn at least a few warren cops have seen it, i keep it clipped on the outside of my pocket because i can get to it faster, and im not sure if id get hit with a CCW charge or something.....idk....anyone know where i could find out for sure?
    Since there is no state preemption law for knives, you have to look at State, County, and "Locality" Laws on Knives.

    Too bad the MI preemption law for firearms was not just made for "arms" (Webster: a means, as a weapon, of offense or defense).
    perhaps thats something we should fight for eventually? i know most of us carry edged weapons,and you cant go into a public area without seeing a knife or a multi-tool on some random person's hip.

    i can just see somebody now thats getting popped with a knife violation.... detainee-"i can carry a firearm just about anywhere in the state,but your ticketing me for having a multitool on my hip??" officers-"uh basically,its illegal in this town"
    detainee-"thats messed up" officers-"yep"
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    American Boy With a Gun wrote:
    Well then, ive been breaking the law for a while now if its not legal. I couldve sworn at least a few warren cops have seen it, i keep it clipped on the outside of my pocket because i can get to it faster, and im not sure if id get hit with a CCW charge or something.....idk....anyone know where i could find out for sure?
    Heck we've all been breaking all kinds of laws all our lives. Did you know its ILLEGAL to have more people on a bicycle than what it is designed for? Did you know it's ILLEGAL to ride a bicycle in which the brakes can't skid the tire? It's also illegal to ride a bike at night without a headlight, or to ride a bike carrying something that keeps you from having both hands on the handlebars.

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    i can't carry a knife in st clair except for a very specific set of reasons. it's a ridiculous and outdated ordinance.
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    smellslikemichigan wrote:
    i can't carry a knife in st clair except for a very specific set of reasons. it's a ridiculous and outdated ordinance.
    Outdated? Nah. Racist bigotry, a delusional fear driven idea that self defense is a collective issue, and a desire to control the peasants, these are all timeless, which is why minimally attempts to enforce garbage like that will always exist.
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    i was in london, england about 5 years ago. my niece and i were in trafalgar square and saw 2 young guys smoking weed on a bench. everyone could smell it. 2 london officers (bobbies) walked up and caught them stone cold busted. we sat down to watch the show. we weren't in earshot so couldn't hear the banter. the guys didn't attempt to hide it from them. they talked for about 20 minutes and even let one of the suspects leave and come back with something. it was driving me nuts. i was a cop. that open and shut case would take 5 minutes from approach to arrest and transport to substation. we went to a pub and had a pint then came out and they were still talking. what could you possibly be saying that took that much time? i of course had to throw in some anonymous yelled advice from the crowd to the officers including "C'MON"!!!!! what more do you need?"
    we left then. we were getting the obnoxious american look. this is similar to the advice yelling i do every saturday night watching COPS.

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    That reminds me of Americas Most Wanted some years back. They did a story on a US fugitive who fled to the UK, and shot dead 3 unarmed bobbies that tried and failed to arrest him. Later on, a team or armored bobbies with sub guns arrested him, closing the AMW case. I haven't ever been able to find internet documentation of it, but I remember the story.

    I thought it was funny, tragic, and unspeakably idiotic all at the same time
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    Hard to believe those people have John Locke in their heritage.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Hard to believe those people have John Locke in their heritage.
    when my brother took medical ethics, a good part of his class thought the professor was talking about the character on lost when he was discussing john locke.

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    I was born and bred in England, but now reside in MI. This is one of those topics that even I have a mixed opinion of.

    First, I grew up in an area where you could get into several fights a day, or just get jumped by a large group of people for taking an alley as a shortcut home, so I frequently carried knives that were very much illegal due to style and length.

    On the flip side, my best friend growing up now has a wife and child living near a street that we spent much time hanging around as kids. In his first year at this home 7 people were stabbed and killed.

    It's acts like this that make me wish knives were illegal sometimes, but then I realize that no matter how illegal something is you can always get your hands on it.

    Case and point...guns. Our regular law enforcement do not get to carry guns. That's left to some detectives, and guards at embassy buildings, etc...

    But it's not all that hard to purchase a gun illegally. The sad fact remains that no matter how much the law thinks they're doing the right thing, there will always be knives and guns around, and bad people willing to use them on innocents.

    So for now, I like to keep my survival tools around.

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    limeyadam wrote:
    I was born and bred in England, but now reside in MI. This is one of those topics that even I have a mixed opinion of.

    First, I grew up in an area where you could get into several fights a day, or just get jumped by a large group of people for taking an alley as a shortcut home, so I frequently carried knives that were very much illegal due to style and length.

    On the flip side, my best friend growing up now has a wife and child living near a street that we spent much time hanging around as kids. In his first year at this home 7 people were stabbed and killed.

    It's acts like this that make me wish knives were illegal sometimes, but then I realize that no matter how illegal something is you can always get your hands on it.

    Case and point...guns. Our regular law enforcement do not get to carry guns. That's left to some detectives, and guards at embassy buildings, etc...

    But it's not all that hard to purchase a gun illegally. The sad fact remains that no matter how much the law thinks they're doing the right thing, there will always be knives and guns around, and bad people willing to use them on innocents.

    So for now, I like to keep my survival tools around.
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    PDinDetroit wrote:
    limeyadam wrote:
    I was born and bred in England, but now reside in MI. This is one of those topics that even I have a mixed opinion of.

    First, I grew up in an area where you could get into several fights a day, or just get jumped by a large group of people for taking an alley as a shortcut home, so I frequently carried knives that were very much illegal due to style and length.

    On the flip side, my best friend growing up now has a wife and child living near a street that we spent much time hanging around as kids. In his first year at this home 7 people were stabbed and killed.

    It's acts like this that make me wish knives were illegal sometimes, but then I realize that no matter how illegal something is you can always get your hands on it.

    Case and point...guns. Our regular law enforcement do not get to carry guns. That's left to some detectives, and guards at embassy buildings, etc...

    But it's not all that hard to purchase a gun illegally. The sad fact remains that no matter how much the law thinks they're doing the right thing, there will always be knives and guns around, and bad people willing to use them on innocents.

    So for now, I like to keep my survival tools around.
    Welcome to OCDO! Glad you can now "provide for your protection better".
    Yeah I am going to make him go with me to the pit in two weeks when we are camping.
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    It's worse than you think.

    About four years ago a member of the Parliament proposed a total bans on knives. yes even butter knives! It was kicked around and finally the bill was allowed to die after the people got upset that they couldn't even possess kitchen knives in their homes. yes it really happened and was reported on here in the media. This is how bad it will get of we allow these fools to have our GOD Given rights.
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    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    HEY! wait a second! hold the phone all you UK haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can still own firearms in england!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so long as its a single shot bolt action rifle! or even the evil shotguns! as long they stay at the "hunt club.!" and can be retrieved at anytime by the Goverment! and you can pass the background check and DNA sample and and biometric data computer thingy and are not tall, short, have any kind of bad body odor, which i think is reasonable, i mean do you really want someone who stinks to be owning guns or for heaven sakes shooting near you? you become distracted and accidently shoot someone?
    and what legal purpose could you posably have for owning a knife? i mean we they have sporks! why by god do you ever need, or want to cut something! hell the have child safe scissors! those are pretty safe as long as you register, serial number, have a scissor lock with a key,and are willing to have armed "bobbies" come inspect your scissor at anytime, without notice, just to make sure it locked up when not in use. also there will be a strict 1 scissor per house, and i scissor lifetime limit!.
    so c'mon with all this common sense law why shouldn't they restrict knives, think of the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some poor kid might require a band-aid, and with sky rocketing medical bills any common sense rule or law could only benefit the children!!!!!!!!!!
    in fact i think i am moveing to london, screw america, i want my goverment to tell me how safe i am and take care of my every need, at least in england you don't have all these wackos and nutjobs just carrrying around HANDGUNS ON THEIR HIPS LIKE JOHN WAYNE! just yesterday i saw one of these sickos BUYING A CANDY BAR!!!!!!!!!! he just walked in and, picked it up and paid for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the he looked at me and said have a nice day!!!! i fainted dead away!
    yup, here i come england! i feel safer already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    HEY! wait a second!......
    Too...Many...Words.

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    I've carried a knife ever since I was 8(?). It's just normal.

    I like Kershaw - Ken Onion's designs rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erb View Post
    I like Kershaw
    As do I. Their warranty service is outstanding. If you ever have a problem just send it to the warranty center address on their website with a note describing the issue and they'll send you a new knife.

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