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    Only one city council member supports OC ing in pontiac that is Randy Carter. I spoke with him today he over heard the chief laughing about me getting my firearm takin away. also heard the chief state i was not going to ever get it back. But thankfully Judge Preston Thomas got into contact with thePPDand i recieved it back. Also Randy stated theotherCouncil membersand the chief are working together to get firearms banned from city hall.They state they were told by the CURRENT A. G. that theordinance they are creatingwill supercede state law. WhichI believe would beuninforcable under state lawdue to the preemption law 1990.

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    Ok? Let me get this straight....the Democratic city council contacts the Republican A.G. Mr. Cox who is running for Governor & he tells them a local Ordinance will trump state law? Something is very....very.....out of order here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48Y0sQzxxs


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    Wow, with the exception of Mr.Carter those council members are clueless. And the chief of police is a joke.

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    army74 wrote:
    Only one city council member supports OC ing in pontiac that is Randy Carter. I spoke with him today he over heard the chief laughing about me getting my firearm takin away. also heard the chief state i was not going to ever get it back. But thankfully Judge Preston Thomas got into contact with thePPDand i recieved it back. Also Randy stated theotherCouncil membersand the chief are working together to get firearms banned from city hall.They state they were told by the CURRENT A. G. that theordinance they are creatingwill supercede state law. WhichI believe would beuninforcable under state lawdue to the preemption law 1990.
    First of all, I think the Pontiac City Council is full of sh!t--it's nothing more thana scare tactic. Secondly, I find it hard to believe Mike Cox would admit such a thing, especially after hearing his speech at the Lansing SAM in regards to firearm ownership/carry. And finally, I doubt very much there exists a loop-hole where a local unit of government could slip-in an ordinance that would trump state law...But this is just my opinion.

    123.1102 Regulation of pistols or other firearms.

    Sec. 2.

    A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to, or regulate in any other manner the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms, except as otherwise provided by federal law or a law of this state.

    History: 1990, Act 319, Eff. Mar. 28, 1991

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    I hope the next time we attend a council meeting in Pontiacwe pack that place with Open Carriers. And have some news coverage as well.

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    DetroitBiker wrote:
    I hope the next time we attend a council meeting in Pontiacwe pack that place with Open Carriers. And have some news coverage as well.
    AMEN! BROTHER! Plus + 1 (Gazillion).
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    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    DetroitBiker wrote:
    I hope the next time we attend a council meeting in Pontiacwe pack that place with Open Carriers. And have some news coverage as well.
    As long as I'm kept informed as to when, I'll be at the next one.
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    I don't know if I was the only one that noticed but they were laughing at us while we were their.

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    eastmeyers wrote:
    I don't know if I was the only one that noticed but they were laughing at us while we were their.

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    Yes - I noticed that also. We need to put together an event near downtown on a weekend right in the middle of the day. That would get the smirks off their faces I bet! Maybe a downtown Pontiac OC stroll ect...?
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    Glock9mmOldStyle wrote:
    eastmeyers wrote:
    I don't know if I was the only one that noticed but they were laughing at us while we were their.

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    Yes - I noticed that also. We need to put together an event near downtown on a weekend right in the middle of the day. That would get the smirks off their faces I bet! Maybe a downtown Pontiac OC stroll ect...?
    Dream cruise is in August...
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    Count me in for a downtown stroll. And attendance at a council meeting carrying my .45

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    i think with all the people that would be the best time to do it:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebra te

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    Arts, Beats, and Eats is in early September as well.
    "I like users who quote smellslikemichigan in their signature lines." - fozzy71

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    yes i know they were laughing....Lee Jones, Patrice Waterman, Mary Pietela, Kermit Williams, Donald Watkins, George Williams, Chief Gross, Officer Dorkins, Paramore will just love our Lil stroll downtown during dream cruise because i know for sure they`ll be there.

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    fozzy71 wrote:
    Arts, Beats, and Eats is in early September as well.
    I like this one better. But I don't believe this is an open event, I believe you have to pay to get in. So they might think they have the right to not allow for OCers (ho down).

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    fozzy71 arts beatsneats is in royal oak pontiac lost it

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    EastMeyers is correct Arts beats & eats would be great but its a "pay for entry event" & most likely subject to different rules.


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    army74 wrote:
    fozzy71 arts beatsneats is in royal oak pontiac lost it
    LMAO! Figures what a bunch of JACKASSES!
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    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    army74 wrote:
    fozzy71 arts beatsneats is in royal oak pontiac lost it
    Well I don't think we have ever had a lot of OCers in Royal Oak all at once, I still say lets do it, but hey lets not Hi-Jack this thread, anyone who wants can start a Arts Beats and Eats thread...

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/46305.html



    But hey lets go ahead and get something going for the dream cruise. I don't know how many people will want to do it because it is such a pain in the but to get around in the area.
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    Dream Cruise Stroll then???
    “A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    im down for a dream cruise stroll and even would be up for a royal oak arts beats and eats even

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    Army,

    maybe we could get some help to set it up?

    I would suggest you PM:

    sprinklerguy28

    scot623

    and get their input.



    “A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    ill send them something im not good at pm so ill have my wife set it up

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    army74 wrote:
    ill send them something im not good at pm so ill have my wife set it up
    Just have her click on their names above it will take her to PM "mode".
    “A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    cool picture

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