cabman1
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mikestilly wrote:-CV67PAT- wrote:
IceBitch had a lot to tell me about you too while at the party a couple of weeks ago. Want to hear some of it? I couldn't believe what I was hearing you say to her on the phone either. You're pretty pathetic Mike. Oh and just to let you know. The old guy in the picture with her... guess who?
This is way out of line!! I for one will not post on ocdo website.I believe John and mike should have
taken legal actions against pat along time ago. I urge all members of Michigan Open carry to stop using this site. We do have our own!! Until mike and john get a handle on there site.If every decent person stops using this site maybe that will send a message to Mike and John!! If not well they can have there site.
Enjoy
So to be clear...I need to register it as a pistol then? I would prefer not to, as will most likely never carry it as a pistol.Any rifle that's ORIGINALLY MANUFACTURED to be under 26" OAL, yet retains a 16" barrel, is legal to possess in Michigan.
If it's modified to be under 26", regardless of barrel length, then it's an illegal SBR.
zigziggityzoo wrote:So to be clear...I need to register it as a pistol then? I would prefer not to, as will most likely never carry it as a pistol.Any rifle that's ORIGINALLY MANUFACTURED to be under 26" OAL, yet retains a 16" barrel, is legal to possess in Michigan.
If it's modified to be under 26", regardless of barrel length, then it's an illegal SBR.
Thanks in advance for any info.
I know of one gun shop that I have argued with over this. He sells and registers them as rifles, I think mainly because:
750.222
(e) “Pistol” means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals itself as a firearm.
(j) “Rifle” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
As you can see, for the Kel-Tec sub 2000, these two conflict with each other, as it is less than 30 inches, yet it's designed to be fired from the shoulder.
BUT, 28.422 (which covers purchase requirements) defines:
Sec. 1. As used in this act:
(e) “Pistol” means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals it as a firearm.
but it does not define a rifle as 750.222 does.
So what does a person do if the FFL fills out the paperwork as a RIFLE and tells you it's not a pistol?
correct, if your adding say a flash hider to the barrel make sure its permanently fixed, like welded on,not the set screw kind. or it wont count.If you bought a Sub 2000 in another state as a rifle and then added 1/2" to either the barrel or buttstock to make the OAL 30" you would not have to register it as a pistol in Mich.
John is working on tweaking things. It'll take some time to get used to, and for the admins to get things as smooth as silk..
Anyway, pretty good aim, but I've said it before, and I'll say it again, damn, that is an UGLY gun.
Remember folks say this about our Glocks too!
true enough. I suppose if it does what it's supposed to, and doesn't cut me open like that other kel-tec pf-9 i handled, i might be able to get used to it. Can you mount a scope on that beast? Lol..