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    A few of us here in Washington don't live far from the B.C. Border and would like to invite our neighbors to the northto come down and enjoy a little bit of gun freedom.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    A few of us here in Washington don't live far from the B.C. Border and would like to invite our neighbors to the northto come down and enjoy a little bit of gun freedom.
    Just don't want anyone getting into trouble. Is it fair? No.


    I'm sure you are aware:

    RCW 9.41.171
    Alien possession of firearms — Requirements — Penalty.
    It is a class C felony for any person who is not a citizen of the United States to carry or possess any firearm, unless the person: (1) Is a lawful permanent resident; (2) has obtained a valid alien firearm license pursuant to RCW 9.41.173; or (3) meets the requirements of RCW 9.41.175.

    RCW 9.41.175
    Alien possession of firearms — Possession without license — Conditions.

    [/b](1) A nonimmigrant alien, who is not a resident of Washington or a citizen of Canada, may carry or possess any firearm without having first obtained an alien firearm license if the nonimmigrant alien possesses:

    (a) A valid passport and visa showing he or she is in the country legally;

    (b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

    (c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

    (ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.

    (2) A citizen of Canada may carry or possess any firearm so long as he or she possesses:

    (a) Valid documentation as required for entry into the United States;

    (b) If required under federal law, an approved United States department of justice ATF-6 NIA application and permit for temporary importation of firearms and ammunition by nonimmigrant aliens; and

    (c)(i) A valid hunting license issued by a state or territory of the United States; or

    (ii) An invitation to participate in a trade show or sport shooting event being conducted in this state, another state, or another country that is contiguous with this state.

    (3) For purposes of subsections (1) and (2) of this section, the firearms may only be possessed for the purpose of using them in the hunting of game while such persons are in the act of hunting, or while on a hunting trip, or while such persons are competing in a bona fide trap or skeet shoot or any other organized contest where rifles, pistols, or shotguns are used. Nothing in this section shall be construed to allow aliens to hunt or fish in this state without first having obtained a regular hunting or fishing license.

    [2009 c 216 § 4.]

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    Aren't passports or enhanced license required now? That would show they are here legally?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Yep, but then, does your invitation meet the criteria of a "shooting event" in this state.

    9.41.175 says: (3) For purposes of subsections (1) and (2) of this section, the firearms may only be possessed for the purpose of using them in the hunting of game while such persons are in the act of hunting, or while on a hunting trip, or while such persons are competing in a bona fide trap or skeet shoot or any other organized contest where rifles, pistols, or shotguns are used. Nothing in this section shall be construed to allow aliens to hunt or fish in this state without first having obtained a regular hunting or fishing license.


    Don't get me wrong, I like what you are proposing and support it, but thought someone should play devils advocate on this.

    We would do ourselves AND our Candaian bretheren a disservice if we don't do due dilligence.


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    I appreciate it for some reason I read that awhile back and thought it would be ok as long as they weren't transporting arms. This is going to require more thought and research now that I am rereading it. I'm on phone now though so difficult for me. But yea don't want to get myself or anyone in trouble.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Best to be sure. If we were to invite someone down and they got arrested, it would be very bad.

    I'm not a lawyer, that's why I wanted to bring it up. Make sure we get enough eyes on the issue and make an informed decision.
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    The way I was reading was they could but sometimes the way they write these rcw's are so twisted.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2l3 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I like what you are proposing and support it, but thought someone should play devils advocate on this.
    I appreciate your bringing this up, but with respect to the law, "possession" is defined as autonomous control. My son is not allowed by state law to possess a handgun, but it's perfectly legal for me to take him to the shooting range, as the firearm may be in his hands, but remains in my possession from the legal standpoint.

    We can take our Northern friends to shooting ranges all we want, provided we transport the firearms to/from.

    That's not to say there might not be some Canadian law which prohibits them from operating a firearm, even while in another country. I don't think that's the case, as I had a Canadian roommate in college, and we used to go shooting on occasion, but he wasn't a legel eagle. Regardless, if someone knows of such a Canadian restriction, throw it up here.

    There's no U.S. law which prevents us from taking our Canadian friends to the range.
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