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    Not sure if this is a repost, but I did a search, and the only hits I got were of people who OC'ed at AJ Gators without any issues.

    Went to the location near the Chesapeake Sq. Mall on Friday, and saw this notice greeting me at the door:






    I wasn't carrying at the time anyway, since I had planned on having a few beers with some buddies, but I just thought I should bring it to everyone's attention. As mentioned before, I read previous posts about people OC'ing at certain AJ Gators locations, so those ones might be posted as well.


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    That's curious because I've carried in there before. That is a new-ish sign.

    It never ceases to amaze me how they believe a sign will stop an armed criminal from fiendishness.

    I'm not 100% sure, but I think each AJ Gators, while sharing the franchise name, is an autonomous entity. I remember hearing at one time that there was one or two of them which were not, but got to keep the name through some legal loophole.

    That is speculation. I don't have a cite. It was years ago and I heard it from a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy.
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    New manager or something? Would be interesting to know why the change.

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    The ex-manager (Lee Ivey) is now part owner of the Lazy Horse on Cedar Road. That happened two+ years ago.

    I don't know anything about the people in charge now. Their sign tells me a lot about them, though.
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    I will send them a postcard later today :-)
    Carry On.

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    Carry On.

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    Interesting. I've never been to that particular store, but I have patronized 3 or 4 of their other stores and have never been questioned nor noticed a sign (not that I even look for them).

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    I find that I do not bother looking for signs too much. If they ask me to leave (which has been a rare occurrence), I simply oblige.

    I never mention signs. Ever.
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    wylde007 wrote:
    I find that I do not bother looking for signs too much.
    me either.. but once I notice one.. (in person or on a message board) I at least send a post card
    Carry On.

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    And I commend you for it. I just don't believe that I should take the time and effort to actively participate in rendering myself defenseless when I know darn well that a criminal is not going to pay that sign any mind.
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    zoom6zoom wrote:
    New manager or something? Would be interesting to know why the change.
    I believe we will start to see more and more of these hastily put together homemade signs the closer to July 1st we get...and the lifting of the CC ban in establishments that server alcohol.

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    That's their prerogative and right.

    And we will exercise ours by patronizing friendly(ier) establishments.
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    wylde007 wrote:
    That's their prerogative and right.

    And we will exercise ours by patronizing friendly(ier) establishments.
    Absolutely Wylde...plenty of other establishments that'll take my money...I, as well as others here, will be sure to patronize those establishments...when you think about it, it's a really stupid move in this economy...cutting out X% of your customer base.

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    wylde007 wrote:
    That's their prerogative and right.

    And we will exercise ours by patronizing friendly(ier) establishments.
    +1

    Even if I want to have some drinks and leave the pistol at home, I would much rather spend my money at a place that doesn't restrict my option to carry or not.

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    ATTENTION:

    Baseball bats are prohibited in this
    establishment.

    AJ GATORS MANAGEMENT


    Well, why not? Bats have been known to kill, too.


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    A lost customer

    Dear AJ Gators,
    I am sorry to say that I will no longer be able to patronize your business. I have many times enjoyed going to your establishment, but with the appearance of this sign I consider myself unwelcome.
    https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/mya...153096000.jpeg
    I will not give my business to any establishment that does not respect my rights and need to protect myself. I am sure that many others feel the same way. It is amazing that in this economy you would adopt a policy that would insult and drive away a segment of your customer base.
    Disappointed,
    William Taylor


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    Hello Mr. Taylor, I tried to pull up the picture in question but wasn't able to.Would you text it to me directly? 757-681-1473 my cell, or try to e-mail the picture to me jsharer2@cox.net. I'm sorry for any problems or offense I have caused but am totally in the dark as to the nature of the picture. Jeff sharer co-founder A.J.gators sportsbars

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    Dear Mr Sharer,
    I have attached the picture to this email for your convenience. If you are not able to view it this way, just let me know. If need be I can always print out a copy and mail it to you.
    Sincerely,
    William Taylor

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    Will post response when received.








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    Just a couple of general suggestions...

    When you try to e-mail someone a link to a photo, especially if it's in a photo album type site that you generally log into in order to manage, you should always try to access the photo from another environment, preferably another computer, or at a minimum, another browser (not just another window, as login cookies stay active), where you are certain that you are not logged in as the owner/manager. That appears to be what happened to this link.

    Also, why not take advantage of one of the several URL-shortening services such as tinyurl.com? Makes for a much cleaner message overall, and in a pinch, can usually be hand-typed by the recipient if they can't cut and paste or direct link for some reason.

    Just some thoughts... help us keep our message on track in the best light possible.

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    TFred wrote:
    That appears to be what happened to this link.
    I saw it.. but I also like tinyurl
    Carry On.

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    ed wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    That appears to be what happened to this link.
    I saw it.. but I also like tinyurl
    Interesting... I got an error message:
    An error occurred during a connection to http://www.t-mobilepictures.com.

    SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
    Go figure.

    TFred


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    Well I just uploaded it from my phone to my online album, and hosted it from there. Are there people that aren't seeing it? I put it on another location, try this:



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    need to send them this....



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuIbujpLWA
    GOD gave me rights!!!....The Constitutuion just confirms it!!

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    My letter to Mr. Sharer:

    Mr. Sharer:

    It has come to my attention that the management at your Chesapeake Square location has posted a sign at the entrance to your establishment "banning" firearms from the premises. While there are several arguments to be made to expose the ineffectiveness of such a sign, the most simple is this: Criminals do not obey the law.

    While Virginia law allows any law-abiding citizen to carry a firearm for personal protection you (or one of your agents) have taken it upon yourself to infringe on that natural right by instituting a policy. A policy does not make firearms illegal, it makes them unwelcome. Your sign essentially informs law-abiding citizens who have chosen to exercise their rights that they are not welcome in your restaurant.

    What your sign cannot prevent is a someone with criminal intent from attempting an act of violence, robbery or theft by putting up a sign. In fact, what you have done is give criminals a green light to commit these acts with little fear of retaliation from their potential victims.

    Virginia law allows open carry of firearms without a permit and concealed carry with. These laws are laid out in ยง18.2-308 et seq of the Virginia State Code. Hundreds of thousands of Virginia citizens carry firearms on their person lawfully each and every day and I, being one of them, would much prefer to offer my business to those who honour my rights and accede to the laws of the Commonwealth than to patronize an establishment where my safety and that of my family's is jeopardized by fiat.

    I once enjoyed visits to your restaurants and have both performed and engineered sound at this particular location, experiencing no problems while I had my personal defensive weapon at my side.

    I hope that you will reconsider your company's position, remove the offending signs and amend your policy to, in as many ways possible, reflect that your establishment(s) respect the decisions of the Commonwealth and its laws.

    I am sure you will be receiving other reports of this recent development and I am most interested to hear your response on this matter. Until such time as the signs are removed myself and many who share my opinion will have no choice but to take our business elsewhere.

    Kindest regards,
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
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    zekester wrote:
    need to send them this....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuIbujpLWA
    and did YOU?
    Carry On.

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    I received this response today. I was most pleased and felt that the owner was considerate and accommodating, though brief.

    Perhaps we might schedule an open-carry dinner at one of his establishments in the [near] future?

    Mr. Fox,

    Thank you for your e-mail, it was well written and well thought. I agree with your view points 100%. I, too, carry a weapon, with a concealed permit. The signs have been or are to be taken down today. It truly is a fine line we all walk when guns and beer are combined, truly scary for me as a business owner.

    Thank you for not threatening me, I live that through e-mails on an everyday basis. I received an e-mail from another gentleman just yesterday about the same subject, it was a far cry from your communication. once again thanks for consideration.

    jeff
    I hope the email he referred to wasn't Wm's.

    I also cannot see how anyone would expect to be respected or appreciated if their first instinct is to threaten (which I don't believe I read anywhere in Wm's post).
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    A good reminder for all of us who communicate with others on this subject.

    There are two major kinds of people who post "no guns" signs.

    They are: 1) the die-hard "no guns, anywhere, ever" crowd, who we must understand live in a deluded fantasy world, and 2) the "I haven't really thought about it, but it seems like a good idea" crowd, who are ... well, just that. For crowd #2, it's not generally a passionate issue, they're just trying to run their business, make a living, and spend some time with their family and kids at the end of the day.

    We aren't ever going to convince the first crowd, no matter what we do. Just like the horse and water, you can present logic to a deluded person, but you can't make them think.

    And if we treat the second crowd like we want to treat the first crowd, then we won't ever convince them either.

    When you do the math... the only course that yields success is calm, polite, respectful reasoning.



    TFred


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