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    debating the idea of telling emergency dispatcher to advise responding police you are open carrying legally.
    a couple of years ago cutting thru a neighborhood to get home i went down a residential street. a lawn maintenance truck was parked in the road leaving only room for one vehicle to pass at a time. the truck was parked in the opposing lane facing me meaning i have the right of way because my lane is clear and approaching vehicles wait until i go by then drive around. simple right?
    a red ford escort coming up on the truck turned head on into my lane while i was passing the truck. stopped nose to nose. i gave the driver (old man) the hands out WTF is your problem. he sat there. i gave him the back up hand motions. he gave it back. by then the lawn guy moved his truck opening his lane. he sat there. i could have backed up and went around but i didn't. called police. didn't call 9-11 but have local police already in my phone. it all goes thru oakland county dispatch anyway. told the problem and added to tell arriving police i am CC (before i knew about OC). dispatcher asked if it was a road rage incident or i was threatened. said no just come here and see what his problem is. asked my info. said i'll give it to the police when they get here. gave my name. she said wait until officers arrive and don't approach him.
    walled lake police got there and was talking to the old guy. i got out and another officer asked if i was cc. said i was and asked if i could leave it in vehicle. i did. i'm sure it didn't help i was in earshot of the conversation and i was interjecting my commentary. "hey old man. if you're too old to drive take the bus with the other people". "you're old. where do you gotta be?" officers asked me to stop and i did.
    said i was leaving and asked what is his problem. said they weren't sure blah blah..confused..he was yelling about me. sounded like he didn't like the fact i didn't live in that neighborhood and because of that i shouldn't have the right of way. assured them that my weapon wasn't going to be a factor in this and left. don't know what happened after that.

    my point being is should you tell them ahead of time? you're calling 911 or whatever and calling them to where you are. they're going to find out when they get there anyway. depending on the situation where your weapon isn't a factor but you are. i guess there really isn't a legal requirement but maybe a safety or courtesy issue. any ideas?

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    kryptonian wrote:
    debating the idea of telling emergency dispatcher to advise responding police you are open carrying legally.
    a couple of years ago cutting thru a neighborhood to get home i went down a residential street. a lawn maintenance truck was parked in the road leaving only room for one vehicle to pass at a time. the truck was parked in the opposing lane facing me meaning i have the right of way because my lane is clear and approaching vehicles wait until i go by then drive around. simple right?
    a red ford escort coming up on the truck turned head on into my lane while i was passing the truck. stopped nose to nose. i gave the driver (old man) the hands out WTF is your problem. he sat there. i gave him the back up hand motions. he gave it back. by then the lawn guy moved his truck opening his lane. he sat there. i could have backed up and went around but i didn't. called police. didn't call 9-11 but have local police already in my phone. it all goes thru oakland county dispatch anyway. told the problem and added to tell arriving police i am CC (before i knew about OC). dispatcher asked if it was a road rage incident or i was threatened. said no just come here and see what his problem is. asked my info. said i'll give it to the police when they get here. gave my name. she said wait until officers arrive and don't approach him.
    walled lake police got there and was talking to the old guy. i got out and another officer asked if i was cc. said i was and asked if i could leave it in vehicle. i did. i'm sure it didn't help i was in earshot of the conversation and i was interjecting my commentary. "hey old man. if you're too old to drive take the bus with the other people". "you're old. where do you gotta be?" officers asked me to stop and i did.
    said i was leaving and asked what is his problem. said they weren't sure blah blah..confused..he was yelling about me. sounded like he didn't like the fact i didn't live in that neighborhood and because of that i shouldn't have the right of way. assured them that my weapon wasn't going to be a factor in this and left. don't know what happened after that.

    my point being is should you tell them ahead of time? you're calling 911 or whatever and calling them to where you are. they're going to find out when they get there anyway. depending on the situation where your weapon isn't a factor but you are. i guess there really isn't a legal requirement but maybe a safety or courtesy issue. any ideas?
    It is wise to notify police that you are armed when making a call... whether 911 or otherwise... that officers will respond to simply because it shows that you are being responsible.. and it forewarns them that there is a firearm on scene. What they decide to do about that wouldn't matter if they were forewarned or not because they would still do whatever they decided anyway.

    However... an this is a BIG however...

    The parts in blue above do not present you in a positive light. Yes, I know, the old fart pissed you off but a guy with a gun making derogatory comments to an old fart just isn't an example of a reasonable man.

    Personally I think, my opinion, that the whole thing could have been avoided by simply realizing that the old fart had some kind of problem (who cares what it was) and backing up to let him on his way.

    Not that this would apply to you personally but is a good place to mention it...

    I had a conversation with a fellow just the other day about the legality of OC'ing... and I made it quite clear that if a person is carrying a gun they MUST maintain a clear and level head at all times.

    I didn't say it that way... what I said was:

    "If you are going to carry a gun in plain sight take your temper and your smart aleckness and shove them up your arse.. and leave them there... or they will get you into so much trouble you won't believe it."
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    IMO, if you're going to call 911 for whatever reason, I would disclose immediately, regardless of CC or OC, simply because I don't want to take ANY risk of being mistaken for a criminal when I am not.

    Though this is somewhat related, but on another note, They say that the first person to call 911 is considered the 'good guy' in many situations. Keep this in mind if you ever have to defend yourself with your firearm. Be sure you're the one calling the police and informing them, and not the schmuck down the road that has no idea what the hell happened and just heard gunfire.
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    good points but wasn't said in anger or with a temper. just piling on to his issue. smart ass yes i know. it was the officer's scene once they arrived and i stayed in my jeep until they got there. the old man was clearly indignant about something and if documented it will be a step closer to professional help if it is required. some of my hillbilly neighbors would have handled it a lot worse. they would have pulled him out and threw him in a ditch. i was in the right on the issue and driving away would only leave him available to bring his problem down the road to somebody else less even tempered. other than piling on i felt i did him a favor. saw him later at his house and he was only 5 houses away from where we stopped.
    as far as OC even getting out of car can lead to MWAG calls on top of people calling in a 911 road rage thing making a needlessly more urgent response for responding officers. code 3 (siren and party lights) instead of get there when you can. i agree - if YOU call and inform them you are OC it would goalee any other MWAG calls that followed. this is why i'm running it up the OC flagpole to see what you guys thought.

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    malignity wrote:
    IMO, if you're going to call 911 for whatever reason, I would disclose immediately, regardless of CC or OC, simply because I don't want to take ANY risk of being mistaken for a criminal when I am not.

    Though this is somewhat related, but on another note, They say that the first person to call 911 is considered the 'good guy' in many situations. Keep this in mind if you ever have to defend yourself with your firearm. Be sure you're the one calling the police and informing them, and not the schmuck down the road that has no idea what the hell happened and just heard gunfire.
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    I just had this come up the other day. As I was leaving a party store, a 13 year old girl asked me to call 911...a boy had asked to borrow her cell phone to call his mom and took of running with it. I made the call, made no mention of the fact I was OC'ing and nothing was said when the patrol car showed up on scene. This was in Eastpointe.

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    scot623 wrote:
    I just had this come up the other day. As I was leaving a party store, a 13 year old girl asked me to call 911...a boy had asked to borrow her cell phone to call his mom and took of running with it. I made the call, made no mention of the fact I was OC'ing and nothing was said when the patrol car showed up on scene. This was in Eastpointe.
    IMO this is the way to handle a 911 call or any call to police. If the gun is not involved at all in the situation why would you disclose? IMO that adds more stress to the responding officers and serves no purpose.

    When the officers responded in Eastpointe there was 3 of us OCing and there was no issue. Those of us OCing and the responding officers treated it like it was just part of everyday life to be carrying, just as it should be.:celebrate

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    When calling 911, you should always describe your appearance, including height, hair color, clothing, hat, etc. You don't want to end up like this guy!

    Phoenix Cop shoots Homeowner instead of Intruder
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD_TE0OtRJg

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