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    This was a few nights ago at the Wallyworld in Sierra Vista. Looked like you had a Taurus 9mm or maybe a Sig stuffed Mexican carry in your pants. Said hey, we talked about the new Constitutional Carry law. You said you thought it was July 1 and I said no, it's July 31. You were very polite.

    I personally didn't have a problem with your mode of carry, but you might want to think about a holster especially with 1070 coming into effect (you looked Hispanic...) Please reread first part of sentence. I am not being racist, I'm just saying if you might run into problems. Just some constructive criticism. It was good to see another OCer (and young at that) exercising rights. Stay safe.
    My location says I am from Sierra Vista, AZ which is where I live now but I actually lived in MO for 26 years! So please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I post in the Missouri forum!

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    Hate to sound stupid, but what is "Mexican carry"...????:what:

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    Doninaz wrote:
    Hate to sound stupid, but what is "Mexican carry"...????:what:
    Just stuffed in the waistband without a holster.

    Oh also meant to say July 29 above...not sure why I typed 31...
    My location says I am from Sierra Vista, AZ which is where I live now but I actually lived in MO for 26 years! So please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I post in the Missouri forum!

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    i dont know how people carry like that, i tried, just to see how comfortable it is, and id rather be punched in the arm.
    Then again i have started carrying my smith 5906, and its a beast, i think a kel tec or something similar would be pretty alright.

    Thats awesome though, i love running into fellow oc'ers and having a good chat.

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    I worked drugs and always carried without a holster. When working U/C you don't need anything making you weapon any larger than it is. I don't care if the SWAT team is outside in a van, if someone finds your weapon, it can be over in a heart beat.We all know a real gun fight is about 2.5 seconds, and 2.5 rounds fired.

    I only dropped my gun once in 13 years. I was carrying a 2" .38 rather than my Detonics .45, and it slid down my pants leg. The bartender just looked down and said friend, right, friend. I guess I have a dent in my left side where my gun fits.



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    in this heat it is hard to find a spot that wont show my 1911, so i have been carrying my new Ruger LCP / laser sight, in my front pocket....works great....love it....
    great little gun....

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    especially with 1070 coming into effect (you looked Hispanic...)

    WTF?

    if i saw you in wallmart OCing i would never post here " he looked like a pig"

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    oh.. and im not being racist..

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    The most obvious problem with this whole incident hasn't been posted, and that is per Arizona law for the next month or so, he was NOT Open Carrying. The law specifically says it has to be in a belt holster. He was CCing according to the law as it stands today. If he did not have a CCW permit he could have had some trouble with the police. It's a moot point 7/29, but I'm just sayin'...

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    Dahwg wrote:
    per Arizona law for the next month or so, he was NOT Open Carrying. The law specifically says it has to be in a belt holster.
    I was wondering what the ARS # is to clarify the statement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doninaz View Post
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    I was wondering what the ARS # is to clarify the statement...
    So is not legal to ware a solder holster, IWB, or paddle holster and consider it OC, ??????

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    partially visible

    the law says it has to be complety or "partially visible" just like those two girls are in the top left corner of this webpage so its legal..

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    The law specifically says it has to be in a belt holster.
    No, if you look closely, you'll see that the law says that it has to be unconcealed, and then goes on to state that a gun which is wholly or partially visible in a belt holster is not considered concealed. The law specifically grants immunity to belt-holsters, but does not require them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doninaz View Post
    in this heat it is hard to find a spot that wont show my 1911, so i have been carrying my new Ruger LCP / laser sight, in my front pocket....works great....love it....
    great little gun....
    I love my LCP, too. Now, if only Ruger would make a version of the PF9, that would quite possibly be the ultimate concealed carry piece. (Kel-Tec has great designs, but unfortunately, their execution tends to be spotty.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by me812 View Post
    ...The law specifically grants immunity to belt-holsters, but does not require them.
    Though the point is moot, I don't see it as granting immunity to belt-holsters. I see it as defining open carry. This is how I've been taught, and what I've been led to believe anyway.

    G. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
    Subsection A, Paragraph 1 says no concealed carry. Subsection G then defines OC. Otherwise, why use the wording "wholly or partially visible"? If it's wholly visible it's not concealed. So then, it follows that if it's not in a holster and it's only partially visible NOT in a holster (Mexican Carry) it's illegal. Like I said, in 24 days it's irrelevant but I'd hate to be the guy busted July 28, for CCW because he was Mexican Carrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahwg View Post
    Though the point is moot, I don't see it as granting immunity to belt-holsters. I see it as defining open carry. This is how I've been taught, and what I've been led to believe anyway.



    Subsection A, Paragraph 1 says no concealed carry. Subsection G then defines OC. Otherwise, why use the wording "wholly or partially visible"? If it's wholly visible it's not concealed. So then, it follows that if it's not in a holster and it's only partially visible NOT in a holster (Mexican Carry) it's illegal. Like I said, in 24 days it's irrelevant but I'd hate to be the guy busted July 28, for CCW because he was Mexican Carrying.
    Remember this incident?

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/...protest.rifle/

    The guys AR was not in a case or scabbard, and he was not arrested. I can only presume that he was not arrested because the law does not require openly carried weapons to be in a holster, case or scabbard.

    In any case, it will be a completely moot point in just a few weeks, as you have already stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me812 View Post
    ...In any case, it will be a completely moot point in just a few weeks, as you have already stated.
    Which is why it is so great to live in AZ!!!!

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