Harper1227
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For those of you who don't know, a July edition of Marie Claire UK features an article on Open carry. It is definitely slanted but not completely horrible. Here is one discussion about the articlei found on a UK forum.Apparently they hate me
i have prepared a long response inviting them to OCDO but you have to create an account, which I cant do at work bc you need to verify your email address.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/987865-Has-anyone-read-the-Open-Carry-article-in-the-July
There is also a question on yahoo answers that mentions the article. should be interesting to see what comes out over the next month or so...
here is what i plan to put as my response.
Well, as the mother with the toddler in the article I can say that my daughter is fully aware of the dangers of guns and knows, likely better then children who have not been exposed to guns, that she is never to touch it and that the results could be deadly. As for napping with a gun on my hip, (which I personally have never done) please google "retention holster" and understand that will there are foolish persons who would leave guns unattended around children, this is the exception, not the norm. I don’t know one person that would not agree that this is a horrible mistake with potentially deadly outcome. But, just as one should not allow their child access to prescription drugs or other ^potentially^ dangerous items, it is each individuals responsibility to keep their children safe. Eliminating a gun from the household of a careless parent does not eliminate all risks, but properly storing and caring for legally owned weapons and educating ALL members of the family does.
Additionally, the slant of the article making it an issue of paranoia is erroneous. The women I have met and associated with are anything but paranoid or ignorant, many with university level and advanced degrees Being prepared for the worst ^possible^ outcome is not paranoia just as wearing a seat belt in the slight chance that you might get into an accident is not paranoia. Pretending that there is no possibility of dangerous attacks is naive and foolish.
To correct another misconception, open carry is not a movement mostly formed by woman, but since the article was in MC, it focused on the female side. Also incorrect is the assumption that we carry our weapons on school property - which is illegal, and the OC movement is strictly focused on the law-abiding citizen's right to protect themselves. And to think that ‘a bit of I'll teach you' would cause any mentally stable person to hurt someone is ridiculous! People who would do something like that are the exact people OC'r (and I would hope all gun owners) would take issue with. It is the mentally unstable (like the attacker here -http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_bdce0d68-7e3a-11df-9367-001cc4c002e0.html)that will hurt or kill someone even if a gun is unavailable. Look at the knife crimes in the UK (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/knifecrime) Should the victims not have a fighting chance?
Honestly, I can't imagine having a constructive discussion on a web forum nor do I believe that changing someone's long held misconceptions would even possible without a real interaction. But, I invite all of you to engage in an open discussion with real people and see for yourself that we are not the paranoid nutcases you might believe us to be. Opencarry.org is a website that offers points of view from throughout the US and even some posters from the UK, each with different lifestyles and reasons for carrying a gun.
For those of you who don't know, a July edition of Marie Claire UK features an article on Open carry. It is definitely slanted but not completely horrible. Here is one discussion about the articlei found on a UK forum.Apparently they hate me
i have prepared a long response inviting them to OCDO but you have to create an account, which I cant do at work bc you need to verify your email address.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/987865-Has-anyone-read-the-Open-Carry-article-in-the-July
There is also a question on yahoo answers that mentions the article. should be interesting to see what comes out over the next month or so...
here is what i plan to put as my response.
Well, as the mother with the toddler in the article I can say that my daughter is fully aware of the dangers of guns and knows, likely better then children who have not been exposed to guns, that she is never to touch it and that the results could be deadly. As for napping with a gun on my hip, (which I personally have never done) please google "retention holster" and understand that will there are foolish persons who would leave guns unattended around children, this is the exception, not the norm. I don’t know one person that would not agree that this is a horrible mistake with potentially deadly outcome. But, just as one should not allow their child access to prescription drugs or other ^potentially^ dangerous items, it is each individuals responsibility to keep their children safe. Eliminating a gun from the household of a careless parent does not eliminate all risks, but properly storing and caring for legally owned weapons and educating ALL members of the family does.
Additionally, the slant of the article making it an issue of paranoia is erroneous. The women I have met and associated with are anything but paranoid or ignorant, many with university level and advanced degrees Being prepared for the worst ^possible^ outcome is not paranoia just as wearing a seat belt in the slight chance that you might get into an accident is not paranoia. Pretending that there is no possibility of dangerous attacks is naive and foolish.
To correct another misconception, open carry is not a movement mostly formed by woman, but since the article was in MC, it focused on the female side. Also incorrect is the assumption that we carry our weapons on school property - which is illegal, and the OC movement is strictly focused on the law-abiding citizen's right to protect themselves. And to think that ‘a bit of I'll teach you' would cause any mentally stable person to hurt someone is ridiculous! People who would do something like that are the exact people OC'r (and I would hope all gun owners) would take issue with. It is the mentally unstable (like the attacker here -http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_bdce0d68-7e3a-11df-9367-001cc4c002e0.html)that will hurt or kill someone even if a gun is unavailable. Look at the knife crimes in the UK (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/knifecrime) Should the victims not have a fighting chance?
Honestly, I can't imagine having a constructive discussion on a web forum nor do I believe that changing someone's long held misconceptions would even possible without a real interaction. But, I invite all of you to engage in an open discussion with real people and see for yourself that we are not the paranoid nutcases you might believe us to be. Opencarry.org is a website that offers points of view from throughout the US and even some posters from the UK, each with different lifestyles and reasons for carrying a gun.