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    Just ran across this column today by John Stossel.

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    John Stossel
    Guns Save Lives

    It's all too predictable. A day after a gunman killed six people and wounded 18 others at Northern Illinois University, The New York Times criticized the U.S. Interior Department for preparing to rethink its ban on guns in national parks.

    The editorial board wants "the 51 senators who like the thought of guns in the parks -- and everywhere else, it seems -- to realize that the innocence of Americans is better protected by carefully controlling guns than it is by arming everyone to the teeth."

    As usual, the Times editors seem unaware of how silly their argument is. To them, the choice is between "carefully controlling guns" and "arming everyone to the teeth." But no one favors "arming everyone to the teeth" (whatever that means). Instead, gun advocates favor freedom, choice and self-responsibility. If someone wishes to be prepared to defend himself, he should be free to do so. No one has the right to deprive others of the means of effective self-defense, like a handgun.

    As for the first option, "carefully controlling guns," how many shootings at schools or malls will it take before we understand that people who intend to kill are not deterred by gun laws? Last I checked, murder is against the law everywhere. No one intent on murder will be stopped by the prospect of committing a lesser crime like illegal possession of a firearm. The intellectuals and politicians who make pious declarations about controlling guns should explain how their gunless utopia is to be realized.

    While they search for -- excuse me -- their magic bullet, innocent people are dying defenseless.

    That's because laws that make it difficult or impossible to carry a concealed handgun do deter one group of people: law-abiding citizens who might have used a gun to stop crime. Gun laws are laws against self-defense.

    Criminals have the initiative. They choose the time, place and manner of their crimes, and they tend to make choices that maximize their own, not their victims', success. So criminals don't attack people they know are armed, and anyone thinking of committing mass murder is likely to be attracted to a gun-free zone, such as schools and malls.

    Government may promise to protect us from criminals, but it cannot deliver on that promise. This was neatly summed up in book title a few years ago: "Dial 911 and Die." If you are the target of a crime, only one other person besides the criminal is sure to be on the scene: you. There is no good substitute for self-responsibility.

    How, then, does it make sense to create mandatory gun-free zones, which in reality are free-crime zones?

    The usual suspects keep calling for more gun control laws. But this idea that gun control is crime control is just a myth. The National Academy of Sciences reviewed dozens of studies and could not find a single gun regulation that clearly led to reduced violent crime or murder. When Washington, D.C., passed its tough handgun ban years ago, gun violence rose.

    The press ignores the fact that often guns save lives.

    It's what happened in 2002 at the Appalachian School of Law. Hearing shots, two students went to their cars, got their guns and restrained the shooter until police arrested him.

    Likewise, law professor Glen Reynolds writes, "Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 from his truck and ran to the scene. In (last) February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun".

    It's impossible to know exactly how often guns stop criminals. Would-be victims don't usually report crimes that don't happen. But people use guns in self-defense every day. The Cato Institute's Tom Palmer says just showing his gun to muggers once saved his life.

    "It equalizes unequals," Palmer told "20/20". "If someone gets into your house, which would you rather have, a handgun or a telephone? You can call the police if you want, and they'll get there, and they'll take a picture of your dead body. But they can't get there in time to save your life. The first line of defense is you."


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    Stossel is going to be doing another show on his "more guns, less crime" on Fox Business Channel, this Thursday (24 June) at 9pm. His topics will also include CC. And I'm sure if SCOTUS releases their ruling Thursday afternoon, he'll have something to say about that as well. Stossel is pretty pro-2A and is a big proponent of citizens carrying for self defense.

    This is NOT the regular "Fox News" channel, and not all cable providers carry Fox Business. So check your local listings...

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/
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    I watched Stossel's show tonight, and I thought it was pretty good.

    He had a stellar lineup of guests, including Alan Gura (who defended right-to-carry with style and great intellectual force),

    Susanna Hupp (who, as always, comported herself with grace and realism, while managing to make a pro-gun appeal with the emotional element of her own personal tragedy).

    Otis McDonald (of McDonald v Chicago fame) gave a well-reasoned presentation, and was calm, logical, and sensible. He comes across like a good guy, and a humble, law-abiding citizen, and I sort of feel sorry for him that he has been thrust into the public spotlight in this case. It must be hard on him to be on the national stage in this case. He is an excellent "face" for this case, and I hope he can return to a peaceful, safe life soon, where he can legally defend himself and his home with a handgun.

    I particularly like the fact that the main "anti" he had was Dennis A. Henigan is the Vice President for Law and Policy at the Brady Center, who--at every opportunity--said things that made him look like the lying, double-speaking, irredeemably ignorant fascist he is.

    Stossel puts on a good show. His audience (as you might imagine) gave some SERIOUS applause for Gura and Hupp. I'm not much of a fan of Faux News, but John Stossel is the "real deal", and his show will be on my DVR "record" list from now on...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    Thanks for the review. I don't get FBC, if anyone finds a link to the video, I'd be happy to see it.

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    BTW, I was just thinking about Mr. McDonald these past couple days. I've seen interviews with him before, and I share your assessment.

    Still, except for the hassle of losing one's general anonymity (a luxury most of us will never have to worry about losing), I think it would be kind of cool to have your name on such a landmark case. I think of Ernesto Miranda, John Terry, Dick Heller. Otis McDonald will be equally significant in the history of the United States for generations to come.

    How do you turn that down? It's both a great honor and a tremendous responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Thanks for the review. I don't get FBC, if anyone finds a link to the video, I'd be happy to see it.

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    These are two sperate video's.
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/st...ylist_id=87050
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/st...ylist_id=87050
    Last edited by jbone; 06-27-2010 at 05:10 AM.

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    Those "brady" idiots make my head hurt.

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    (Sorry, couldn't resist posting this one 'cause it fit so well with what Stossel said...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Thanks for the review. I don't get FBC, if anyone finds a link to the video, I'd be happy to see it.

    TFred
    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheChannelOfLiberty

    look in the "uploads" section

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    Thanks for posting the links. I watched the YouTube series. Although it's a bit of a pain to find them. Your best bet is to go to YouTube and put "Stossel Show - More Guns Less Crime!" (with the quotes) in the search box, then you can pick them in order 1-7 to watch.

    Henigan is very hard to watch. In part 6, he flatly stated that Pennsylvania has a state-wide gun registration. I don't think that is true, but I don't suppose accurate facts are high on their list of concerns.

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    Cool

    You can watch the whole show at www.usaguns.net/patriot/

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