Henderson City Policy

The Big Guy · Dec 24, 2012

Dunezrunner said:
10 mins later the staff approached the OC'er and said they talked with the City attorney and the reason the Open Carry was not allowed was due to the Rec center having a daycare inside the facility.

Thomas

If this were true, any of our hotel/casinos that have a day care facility, as I believe some do, it would be illegal to carry anywhere in the facility including your room. Any employer who has daycare for its employees, oh I don’t know, let’s get wild and say a gun manufacturer, would also be required to not have any of the product they produce in the facility.

Just remember that the truth will be stretched to any degree necessary to "prove" their point.

TBG

An afterthought: If they truly believed they were on solid ground, it would not have been the "staff" that approached, but the arresting officer.

Dunezrunner · Dec 25, 2012

I appreciate all of the responses. I am going to draft up a letter and send it on to the city attorney. Should I also send this letter to the rec center in question? Anyone else?

Thanks

Thomas

The Big Guy · Dec 25, 2012

Dunezrunner said:
I appreciate all of the responses. I am going to draft up a letter and send it on to the city attorney. Should I also send this letter to the rec center in question? Anyone else?

Thanks

Thomas

Sending it to the Rec Center is a waste of finger motion on the keyboard. Yes, by all means send it to Josh Reid the City Attorney. I would also copy it to the Mayor, City Council Members, the City Manager and the Chief of Police. I would also clearly CC it to Don Turner of the NVFAC and the NRA Nevada Liaison.

Be clear, concise and reference statutes and case law if available. Make it clear that they are violating state law.

TBG

The Big Guy · Jan 15, 2013

It might be worthwhile to ask for a copy of the daycare license that they refer to. It can be either city or county. I'm wondering, if there is one, does it specify the boundaries of the day care center? In order to meet the standards of state law there must be an actual license as I understand it.

TBG

spacecoast321 · Jan 15, 2013

Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America by Gary Kleck

john-in-reno said:
What and where is this Kleck report? Would like to have a copy.

The author is a card carrying liberal that ostensibly began to collect gun/crime data to disprove that private ownership of guns was beneficial. The data that he collected and collated has become a goldmine for those that understand and promote the 2nd amendment.

Gary Kleck is professor of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University. He is the author of Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control and coauthor, with Don Kates, of The Great American Gun Debate and Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control. His articles have been published in several journals, including the American Sociological Review, American Journal of Sociology, Social Forces, Social Problems, Criminology, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Journal of the American Medical Association, and Law & Society Review. (from amazon.com)

The Big Guy · Jan 15, 2013

Dunezrunner said:
How do the cities rec centers apply to this? What if they have a daycare inside of it?

In doing a bit of research on the City of Henderson Website I found that Valley View Recreation Center is home to the Department's only state-licensed preschool program. It is located at Harris & Basic in Henderson next to Gordon Macaw elementary school. Operations run concurrently with the Clark County School District’s 9-month calendar and is closed on school holidays and staff development days.

I'm going to request a copy of the license and ask what are the "boundaries" of the preschool. It seems to me that only the portion used as a preschool and only during the time it is in session would prevent carry especially if that portion of the center is used for other purposes during the time it is not being used as a preschool. If it is the whole facility, does this include the park located outside the building?

TBG

Bulleteater · Jun 20, 2014

Some relevant info: I visit Cornerstone Park (Warm Springs/Stephanie) in Green Valley/Henderson that has a big lake with a rich variety of birds, ducks, geese, etc. It's really a Centerpiece of Henderson's park system. Anyway, to the point. There is a sign posted at the entrance (between the parking lot and buildings) and I noticed there is no verbiage related to firearms of any sort. NONE.

Since this park was inaugurated only last summer, I am thinking they have incorporated the changes to HMC 8.99.030 that were spurred on by TBG's persistence.

Wish I could upload pics to this site so all can see the new sign (along with the HMC edits), but don't know how to do that.

Thanks to TBG for all you do, especially for us Henderson residents!

The Big Guy · Aug 21, 2014

It's time.

I just purchased a new revolver from an online auction. I have made the decision to use this as a test case with the City of Henderson/County. I'm going to send a registered letter with a copy of the receipt to the Chief of Police of the City of Henderson claiming that the letter is my formal registration per city code. I will not be registering under "Blue Card."

TBG

MAC702 · Aug 21, 2014

Thank you. I've been wanting to do it, but don't live in Henderson! This can force their hand to go one way or the other.

garand_guy · Aug 21, 2014

The Big Guy said:
I just purchased a new revolver from an online auction. I have made the decision to use this as a test case with the City of Henderson/County. I'm going to send a registered letter with a copy of the receipt to the Chief of Police of the City of Henderson claiming that the letter is my formal registration per city code. I will not be registering under "Blue Card."

TBG

MAC702 said:
Thank you. I've been wanting to do it, but don't live in Henderson! This can force their hand to go one way or the other.

I see two outcomes: 1, they do nothing. 2, you get a blue card in the mail.

MAC702 · Aug 22, 2014

garand_guy said:
I see two outcomes: 1, they do nothing. 2, you get a blue card in the mail.

I don't see them doing a Blue Card, as that form requires a signature.

I foresee a letter stating that you are supposed to come in and get one, though. They simply won't understand the legal reasoning TBG will attempt to show them. I think it will take a second letter before one of two outcomes:

1. They do nothing.
2. The City Attorney politely requests that you stop being trouble and just come in and let them register you with their county system, in violation of city laws.

garand_guy · Aug 22, 2014

MAC702 said:
2. The City Attorney politely requests that you stop being trouble and just come in and let them register you with their county system, in violation of city laws.

If they're so bent on registering handguns and using the sheriff's system, why not just change the law to give the city/residents the option of using either?

Oh wait, that would require them to do something.

Next time I get a new gun, I'm doing the same thing.

Maybe I'll research the blue card system in detail and write an article about it, too. Might be interesting, might learn a few new angles to help destroy it.

The Big Guy · Aug 22, 2014

garand_guy said:
If they're so bent on registering handguns and using the sheriff's system, why not just change the law to give the city/residents the option of using either?

Oh wait, that would require them to do something.

Next time I get a new gun, I'm doing the same thing.

Maybe I'll research the blue card system in detail and write an article about it, too. Might be interesting, might learn a few new angles to help destroy it.

Laws are grandfathered. The City Attorney, Josh Reid, tried getting the ordinance changed last year and we stopped him. He attempted to change the wording of the city code to require Henderson residents to register with the county. This is what Las Vegas did pre preemption so theirs is valid in that respect. N. Las Vegas passed the same code but theirs is not valid as it was post preemption.
The only thing that is still valid within the Henderson code is that you must register with the Chief of Police. Nothing else is valid under preemption and they know it.

TBG

garand_guy · Aug 23, 2014

The Big Guy said:
Laws are grandfathered. The City Attorney, Josh Reid, tried getting the ordinance changed last year and we stopped him. He attempted to change the wording of the city code to require Henderson residents to register with the county. This is what Las Vegas did pre preemption so theirs is valid in that respect. N. Las Vegas passed the same code but theirs is not valid as it was post preemption.
The only thing that is still valid within the Henderson code is that you must register with the Chief of Police. Nothing else is valid under preemption and they know it.

TBG

But why registration at all in this county? My own guess is mobsters back in the day.

The Big Guy · Aug 23, 2014

garand_guy said:
But why registration at all in this county? My own guess is mobsters back in the day.

60 years and millions of registrations at a cost to the county of best estimates around 2 million a year, and only one or two sorta maybe helps with investigations. Why the registration? Power and control.

TBG

garand_guy · Aug 23, 2014

The Big Guy said:
Power and control.

Do you want to pitch in and maybe get them a model train set that they can control instead of us?

The Big Guy · Aug 23, 2014

garand_guy said:
Do you want to pitch in and maybe get them a model train set that they can control instead of us?

Speaking of power and control type people, was it not redundant to dump a bucket of ice water Gestapo Doug?

TBG

The Big Guy · Sep 2, 2014

Someone with the Henderson Police (female) called and left a message that I am to bring the firearm in to the Lead Street station, unloaded, in a box (a felony), to register it.
I'm thinking I will just ignore the call.

TBG

Vegassteve · Sep 2, 2014

The Big Guy said:
Someone with the Henderson Police (female) called and left a message that I am to bring the firearm in to the Lead Street station, unloaded, in a box (a felony), to register it.
I'm thinking I will just ignore the call.

TBG

I would ignore it especially if they didnt leave a name and number. It may not even been the police who called. Lots of sketchy folks out there.

garand_guy · Sep 3, 2014

I'd call them out on it. They won't make the effort to get you to register it, they will simply just arrest or whatever you if they find the unregistered gun. Send another letter, call them back. School them on it. I'm going to have to follow-up with the library because they are ignoring me.

MAKE them answer.

The thing that gets me about these stupid ordinances, is that it's no big deal for the city attorney to say to the council, "Hey, we gotta do a little housekeeping." Boom, done, everybody's happy. I don't understand why it's that hard to change things so that everything is proper.

And don't any of the electards read these kinds of websites?

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