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    Dear Paul,

    This afternoon House Speaker Nancy Pelosi forced the free-speech limiting DISCLOSE Act through the House of Representatives.

    Because of the heroic efforts of gun rights activists like you, the DISCLOSE Act barely passed with a vote of 219 to 206.

    YOUR pressure -- your phone calls, your e-mails -- turned the easy passage of this measure into a tough and expensive political battle for the anti-gunners in Congress and the White House. (Click here to see how your Congressman voted.)

    Thank you for your commitment to this important fight -- you are making a difference!

    The DISCLOSE Act was written simply to protect the anti-gun Establishment status quo in Washington D.C. If passed into law, it could silence virtually every state and national conservative group in the country, including the National Association for Gun Rights and any state level gun organizations you may belong to.

    The DISCLOSE Act is a direct attack on your First Amendment right to petition Congress and mention legislation or voting records during the election season.

    You and I both know that election season is the best time to hold politicians accountable for their anti-gun votes. The DISCLOSE Act is designed to silence grassroots activists LIKE YOU and protect the Establishment politicians in Washington.

    The DISCLOSE Act will affect every political organization you belong to, on any and every issue.

    The NRA has joined an unholy cabal with liberal special interests like the Sierra Club, AARP and labor unions to gain exemptions from the onerous restrictions of the DISCLOSE Act.

    I strongly encourage you to contact the NRA at (800) 672-3888 and let them know just how you feel about this betrayal of your rights.

    Now, until this week, the DISCLOSE Act appeared doomed, but the NRA struck a deal with anti-gunners Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer (the Senate sponsor) and Harry Reid. In exchange for exemptions from the bill’s outrageous and expensive disclosure requirements, the NRA now tacitly supports the anti-free speech DISCLOSE Act.

    In fact, Capitol insiders say Harry Reid may be the driving force for this exemption. Reid is in a very tough re-election race in Nevada, but the NRA has all but endorsed him (see the latest NRA magazine, with flattering pictures and flowery praise of Harry Reid). If he’s held accountable for his bad votes on the gun issue, he will almost certainly lose – which is why he’d like to silence all of the pro-gun groups except the one that’s supporting him.

    The fight against the free-speech infringement that is the DISCLOSE Act must now be taken to the U.S. Senate.

    Without a doubt, our right to free speech hangs in the balance -- and today’s vote is step in the wrong direction.

    However, I am still optimistic.

    If gun rights activists like you and me can keep the pressure up in the U.S. Senate, we still have a chance of killing this awful legislation.

    Please, call both your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121 and demand that they publicly oppose the DISCLOSE Act.

    Tell them that any vote to restrict free-speech will be considered a vote against gun owners.

    You can also help the National Association for Gun Rights by chipping in $5 or $10 to help us keep up the fight against the DISCLOSE ACT.

    For liberty,



    Dudley Brown
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    Anti-NRA hyperbole.

    Not to mention, off-topic for this forum.
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    From the horse's mouth. This is the NRA's position on this. I think I'll trust the proven record over the Soros backed one. I used to get their e-mails too. All they want is money.

    http://www.nraila.org?coxresponse/
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    I am a member of a pro-2nd Amendment group that has enough clout that the Dems felt it necessary to attempt to "buy them off" of this issue.

    The OP is from a group that feels the need to attempt to build membership numbers and funds by wasting its time, money, and internet bandwidth spreading false hyperbolic information about a group that it despises.

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    wrightme: "Anti-NRA hyperbole", I don't agree. I think this issue directly effects our ability to move this forum's agenda forward. But, if you have something I don't know about then by all means share it with me.

    NRAMarine:I'm not saying I know everything about this situation. Please share your opinion on this as you have done so as to get the facts out! Hey, we are not afraid of the truth! Yeah I know what you mean about wanting money. But, I sat back and thought about all the money NRA is getting and how much it takes to lawyer up, etc. in today's world withlobbying congress. The NAGR has made some pretty strong accusationssaying they (NRA) have "struck a deal" with N.Pelosi and H. Reid on this issue? The attachment you provided has been read. They don't seem to be abundantly clear to me as to what they are actually doing to oppose this Act. But, nonetheless, you have provided something that I'm going to check on regarding the NAGR's accusations. Thanks for the reply! I'll post back as what I find. If you have more stuff, let is fly............I ain't scared! :shock:

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    wrightme wrote:
    I am a member of a pro-2nd Amendment group that has enough clout that the Dems felt it necessary to attempt to "buy them off" of this issue.

    The OP is from a group that feels the need to attempt to build membership numbers and funds by wasting its time, money, and internet bandwidth spreading false hyperbolic information about a group that it despises.

    http://nationalgunrights.org/about.shtml

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    Registrant:
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    PO Box 3006
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    Domain Name: NRAWOL.NET
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    Administrative Contact:
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    PO Box 3006
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    (970) 842-3006 Fax --

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    There's only one guy running this whole "organization"? Interesting I only see one name. As I said I'll stick with the one that's been around since 1871. I do not believe they support this garbage. I also saw this story on Fox News not long ago, The NRA has openly opposed this bill and the exemption. In my opinion this seems like a divide and conquor act to me. You can call the NRA-ILA and ask them. It takes a little while to get through, but I've always gotten straight answers.
    This site has been hijacked by leftists who attack opposition to further their own ends. Those who have never served this country and attack those who do are no longer worthy of my time or attention.

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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme: "Anti-NRA hyperbole", I don't agree. I think this issue directly effects our ability to move this forum's agenda forward. But, if you have something I don't know about then by all means share it with me.

    NRAMarine:I'm not saying I know everything about this situation. Please share your opinion on this as you have done so as to get the facts out! Hey, we are not afraid of the truth! Yeah I know what you mean about wanting money. But, I sat back and thought about all the money NRA is getting and how much it takes to lawyer up, etc. in today's world withlobbying congress. The NAGR has made some pretty strong accusationssaying they (NRA) have "struck a deal" with N.Pelosi and H. Reid on this issue? The attachment you provided has been read. They don't seem to be abundantly clear to me as to what they are actually doing to oppose this Act. But, nonetheless, you have provided something that I'm going to check on regarding the NAGR's accusations. Thanks for the reply! I'll post back as what I find. If you have more stuff, let is fly............I ain't scared! :shock:
    The OP IS "anti-NRA hyperbole." Unless you have inside information that agrees with the viewpoint of Dudley. Do you? What facts do YOU have?
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    Yes. ONE guy running RMGO, NRAWOL, AND NAGR. Also with affiliations to a Nevada Group GONV; which coincidentally is also attempting to build a membership list and funds with anti-nra hyperbole.



    I do believe the NRA is aware of this one-man band.

    NRAMARINE wrote:
    wrightme wrote:
    I am a member of a pro-2nd Amendment group that has enough clout that the Dems felt it necessary to attempt to "buy them off" of this issue.

    The OP is from a group that feels the need to attempt to build membership numbers and funds by wasting its time, money, and internet bandwidth spreading false hyperbolic information about a group that it despises.

    http://nationalgunrights.org/about.shtml

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    There's only one guy running this whole "organization"? Interesting I only see one name. As I said I'll stick with the one that's been around since 1871. I do not believe they support this garbage. I also saw this story on Fox News not long ago, The NRA has openly opposed this bill and the exemption. In my opinion this seems like a divide and conquor act to me. You can call the NRA-ILA and ask them. It takes a little while to get through, but I've always gotten straight answers.
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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme: "Anti-NRA hyperbole", I don't agree. I think this issue directly effects our ability to move this forum's agenda forward. But, if you have something I don't know about then by all means share it with me.

    NRAMarine:I'm not saying I know everything about this situation. Please share your opinion on this as you have done so as to get the facts out! Hey, we are not afraid of the truth! Yeah I know what you mean about wanting money. But, I sat back and thought about all the money NRA is getting and how much it takes to lawyer up, etc. in today's world withlobbying congress. The NAGR has made some pretty strong accusationssaying they (NRA) have "struck a deal" with N.Pelosi and H. Reid on this issue? The attachment you provided has been read. They don't seem to be abundantly clear to me as to what they are actually doing to oppose this Act. But, nonetheless, you have provided something that I'm going to check on regarding the NAGR's accusations. Thanks for the reply! I'll post back as what I find. If you have more stuff, let is fly............I ain't scared! :shock:
    While I agree that money makes the world go 'round, consider this. A few years ago I got into a situationwith some uninformed Amite police regarding one of my AR-15s. I called my NRA rep in slidell, and an hour and a half later they had sent out a lawyer who got all the "charges" dropped, retrieved my property and allowed me to go on with my life.

    NRA membership $35 a year

    Bushmaster Ar15 $1250

    Nra lawyer to get me out of jail with my property in under 2 hrs,and tell Amite where to stick it :celebrate.... Priceless ( Included in membership along with all kinds of other perks)
    This site has been hijacked by leftists who attack opposition to further their own ends. Those who have never served this country and attack those who do are no longer worthy of my time or attention.

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    NRAMarine: My father was a Marine, but I have not served in any armed forces. My father (who is deceased now) wasn't to keen on me joining. He taught me how to swim by throwing me in Lake Pontchartrain.

    As far as your story, sounds like I would be greatful for how you were helped also....Yes indeed, I would.

    Can't argue with that devildog!

    I'm going to dig deeper as to what the NRA has done regarding this issue!

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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    NRAMarine: My father was a Marine, but I have not served in any armed forces. My father (who is deceased now) wasn't to keen on me joining. He taught me how to swim by throwing me in Lake Pontchartrain.

    As far as your story, sounds like I would be greatful for how you were helped also....Yes indeed, I would.

    Can't argue with that devildog!

    I'm going to dig deeper as to what the NRA has done regarding this issue!
    While you are at it, dig deeper into Dudley and his web of deceit.
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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    NRAMarine: My father was a Marine, but I have not served in any armed forces. My father (who is deceased now) wasn't to keen on me joining. He taught me how to swim by throwing me in Lake Pontchartrain.

    As far as your story, sounds like I would be greatful for how you were helped also....Yes indeed, I would.

    Can't argue with that devildog!

    I'm going to dig deeper as to what the NRA has done regarding this issue!
    As I said call the NRA's ILA division and ask them. As far as your search goes my father has a saying " Peel an onion there are many layers."

    Also dig into Dudley's agenda as well. It's not what it seems IMHO.
    This site has been hijacked by leftists who attack opposition to further their own ends. Those who have never served this country and attack those who do are no longer worthy of my time or attention.

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    wrightme: will do! I'll get back tomorrow as to what I find. Thanks for the response! Hey, I'm first to admit if I'm off base. I'm not too proud to be humbled. I'm going to try to get to the bottom of this, by making some telephone calls tomorrow.

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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme: will do! I'll get back tomorrow as to what I find. Thanks for the response! Hey, I'm first to admit if I'm off base. I'm not too proud to be humbled. I'm going to try to get to the bottom of this, by making some telephone calls tomorrow.
    Thank you for keeping an open mind.

    One thought to keep with you is this one.

    Out of ALL the pro-2nd Amendment groups out there, think of which ones never try to build a membership base by badmouthing other pro-2nd Amendment groups. There is almost only one that fits that metric.


    "United we Stand, Divided we Fall"


    Okay, TWICE now I have tried to add to one of my posts, and it STILL does not show up.
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    Good deal. If someone tries to decieve you no fault lies with you. Fault only lies in those who don't search for themselves.
    This site has been hijacked by leftists who attack opposition to further their own ends. Those who have never served this country and attack those who do are no longer worthy of my time or attention.

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    http://www.nrawol.net/contact.html
    Click the "email NRAWOL" link, and note the email domain.

    Here is the RMGO (Dudley Brown) version of the OP hatemail.
    http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2010-NRAsellout.shtml


    The "Whois" data I posted is out of date. I had looked that guy up a few years ago when GONV linked to NAGR, NRAWOL, and to RMGO.

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    wrightme:

    did you see this in your post:

    "The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources"

    so much %%$$# to dig up and so little time. It's getting late tonight. I will read more and make some phone calls. I just want to get to the bottom of this. Sounds like you two have done a considerable amount of research, even so, let's all keep looking for the truth, no matter what someone has done in the past.

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    Typical. Looks like an undercover arm of Brady. Did you see the "NRA Lifers read this" link? Typical liberal tactics, name calling and the old " If you don't believe us you're no friend of liberty" crap. Anti 2nd ammendment subversion ... plain and simple.
    This site has been hijacked by leftists who attack opposition to further their own ends. Those who have never served this country and attack those who do are no longer worthy of my time or attention.

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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme:

    did you see this in your post:

    "The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources"

    so much %%$$# to dig up and so little time. It's getting late tonight. I will read more and make some phone calls. I just want to get to the bottom of this. Sounds like you two have done a considerable amount of research, even so, let's all keep looking for the truth, no matter what someone has done in the past.
    Which one, whose words are those?
    And, what point would you make of it?
    I am aware of the exemption the democrats created.
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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme:

    did you see this in your post:

    "The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources"

    so much %%$$# to dig up and so little time. It's getting late tonight. I will read more and make some phone calls. I just want to get to the bottom of this. Sounds like you two have done a considerable amount of research, even so, let's all keep looking for the truth, no matter what someone has done in the past.
    The statement made by Lapierre on Fox news simply stated, that they opposed the exemption and by no means asked for any considerations. Also consider the words "Democratic sources" carefully.
    This site has been hijacked by leftists who attack opposition to further their own ends. Those who have never served this country and attack those who do are no longer worthy of my time or attention.

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    NRAMARINE wrote:
    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme:

    did you see this in your post:

    "The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources"

    so much %%$$# to dig up and so little time. It's getting late tonight. I will read more and make some phone calls. I just want to get to the bottom of this. Sounds like you two have done a considerable amount of research, even so, let's all keep looking for the truth, no matter what someone has done in the past.
    The statement made by Lapierre on Fox news simply stated, that they opposed the exemption and by no means asked for any considerations. Also consider the words "Democratic sources" carefully.
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/0...-to-democrats/

    "The Democrats are trying to come up with a new law to respond to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision on campaign finance rules. The NRA had objected to the Democrats’ proposal, but then secured a carve out for themselves from the legislation and have dropped their objection.



    The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources.
    So if you are a small organization that just started up to defend freedom, you are screwed. But if you’ve been collecting a large file of members for decades off the image of Charlton Heston while repeated screwing conservatives, you’ll be safe."

    NRAMarine address this somewhat, but I'm not sure who to believe, would the Democrats be placating to the NRA, just to suck them in? Well, you guys have done a lot to move this conversation forward fast. So, I've got my work cut out for me obviously!


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    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    NRAMARINE wrote:
    Paul E. Blouin wrote:
    wrightme:

    did you see this in your post:

    "The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources"

    so much %%$$# to dig up and so little time. It's getting late tonight. I will read more and make some phone calls. I just want to get to the bottom of this. Sounds like you two have done a considerable amount of research, even so, let's all keep looking for the truth, no matter what someone has done in the past.
    The statement made by Lapierre on Fox news simply stated, that they opposed the exemption and by no means asked for any considerations. Also consider the words "Democratic sources" carefully.
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/0...-to-democrats/

    "The Democrats are trying to come up with a new law to respond to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision on campaign finance rules. The NRA had objected to the Democrats’ proposal, but then secured a carve out for themselves from the legislation and have dropped their objection.
    The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources.
    So if you are a small organization that just started up to defend freedom, you are screwed. But if you’ve been collecting a large file of members for decades off the image of Charlton Heston while repeated screwing conservatives, you’ll be safe."

    NRAMarine address this somewhat, but I'm not sure who to believe, would the Democrats be placating to the NRA, just to suck them in? Well, you guys have done a lot to move this conversation forward fast. So, I've got my work cut out for me obviously!
    That exemption covers more organizations than the NRA. You can read the statements of the NRA heads on the NRA website.

    Basically, without independent confirmation of one side or the other, you are left with a "he said she said" situation.

    On one side you have a national organization that states it did (or did not do) specific acts.

    On the other side you have several groups run by ONE guy (with a HO for the NRA) claiming that the NRA did a doodoo.

    http://www.nraila.org/


    Who to believe is the question that each individual must answer for themselves.

    Keep in mind that ALL of the press on this topic except for the statements by the NRA heads themselves is unsubstantiated hearsay.


    And here is a little tidbit that says a little of the character of the "redstate" writer you link to:
    I support Gun Owners of America, which is a consistent and uncompromising defender of the second amendment, not a weak little girl of an organization protecting itself while throwing everyone else under the bus.
    Make himself feel big by calling the NRA a weak little girl.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    update on NAGR request

    Well, I'm not so happy with Dudley not responding to my request, here's what I've sent to him and his organization:
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    From: Paul Blouin [mailto:Paulblouin@.com]
    Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:31 PM
    To: 'Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org'
    Subject: RE: Deadline is Tomorrow

    Dear Dudley,

    I wrote you and asked a question. You never answered. I understand that you have a lot going on and probably way too many people emailing you. But that is the problem, Im tired of you asking for money all the time and then its the way you ask. You make it very personal . you ask for money very personally, but you dont take the time or have the staff to answer people personally.

    I want to support you and believe you, but you have made it hard to continue to support this effort with the methods you have chosen to use in your emails. You obviously have a way to track people when they have supported you in the past with offering money to support the effort, and you have a way of tracking those same people when they dont send in money to your emails. And you keep sending follow up emails to make them feel bad if they havent chosen to help this time for whatever reason. So, you have this elaborate system of taking care of what you are trying to do.but you cant answer any emails. That makes me wonder what you are all about!

    Sorry, If Im off base and not understanding you and your effort. But, You must realize that where I invest my money God provides to me.that I need to stay accountable to. And thats why I sent in a question. If you cant spend the time to answer some of those who support you, then that is fine with me, but I cannot support your effort any longer financially.

    Im left with no alternative then to unsubscribe.

    Thank You,
    Paul E. Blouin


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    From: Paul Blouin [mailto:Paulblouin@.com]
    Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:13 PM
    To: 'Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org'
    Subject: RE: House passes DISCLOSE Act, fight moves to Senate

    Dudley,

    Can you help me with specific information as to why you believe the NRA is acting the way it is with joining the unholy cabal. I need your help with specifics so I can go back to my critics with the facts. As we have heard before, The Truth will set you free!

    Thanks,
    Paul

    From: Dudley Brown [mailtoudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org]
    Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:27 PM
    To: Paul Blouin
    Subject: House passes DISCLOSE Act, fight moves to Senate



    Dear Paul,

    This afternoon House Speaker Nancy Pelosi forced the free-speech limiting DISCLOSE Act through the House of Representatives.

    Because of the heroic efforts of gun rights activists like you, the DISCLOSE Act barely passed with a vote of 219 to 206.

    YOUR pressure -- your phone calls, your e-mails -- turned the easy passage of this measure into a tough and expensive political battle for the anti-gunners in Congress and the White House. (Click here to see how your Congressman voted.)

    Thank you for your commitment to this important fight -- you are making a difference!

    The DISCLOSE Act was written simply to protect the anti-gun Establishment status quo in Washington D.C. If passed into law, it could silence virtually every state and national conservative group in the country, including the National Association for Gun Rights and any state level gun organizations you may belong to.

    The DISCLOSE Act is a direct attack on your First Amendment right to petition Congress and mention legislation or voting records during the election season.

    You and I both know that election season is the best time to hold politicians accountable for their anti-gun votes. The DISCLOSE Act is designed to silence grassroots activists LIKE YOU and protect the Establishment politicians in Washington.

    The DISCLOSE Act will affect every political organization you belong to, on any and every issue.

    The NRA has joined an unholy cabal with liberal special interests like the Sierra Club, AARP and labor unions to gain exemptions from the onerous restrictions of the DISCLOSE Act.

    I strongly encourage you to contact the NRA at (800) 672-3888 and let them know just how you feel about this betrayal of your rights.

    Now, until this week, the DISCLOSE Act appeared doomed, but the NRA struck a deal with anti-gunners Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer (the Senate sponsor) and Harry Reid. In exchange for exemptions from the bills outrageous and expensive disclosure requirements, the NRA now tacitly supports the anti-free speech DISCLOSE Act.

    In fact, Capitol insiders say Harry Reid may be the driving force for this exemption. Reid is in a very tough re-election race in Nevada, but the NRA has all but endorsed him (see the latest NRA magazine, with flattering pictures and flowery praise of Harry Reid). If hes held accountable for his bad votes on the gun issue, he will almost certainly lose which is why hed like to silence all of the pro-gun groups except the one thats supporting him.

    The fight against the free-speech infringement that is the DISCLOSE Act must now be taken to the U.S. Senate.

    Without a doubt, our right to free speech hangs in the balance -- and todays vote is step in the wrong direction.

    However, I am still optimistic.

    If gun rights activists like you and me can keep the pressure up in the U.S. Senate, we still have a chance of killing this awful legislation.

    Please, call both your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121 and demand that they publicly oppose the DISCLOSE Act.

    Tell them that any vote to restrict free-speech will be considered a vote against gun owners.

    You can also help the National Association for Gun Rights by chipping in $5 or $10 to help us keep up the fight against the DISCLOSE ACT.

    For liberty,



    Dudley Brown
    Executive Director
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