Unwelcome Visitors On My Property

gis said:

I am not technical enough to explain how all this works, but my understandiong is that the computer analyzes a number of factors including the speed, pattern of motion, size, and radiated temperature of the target, etc. and decides whether it's a valid threat or not.

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gis said:

A few points for you to consider:

1. I have only met this woman once during the bad snow we had last winter. I did not remember her, and she certainly should have had no expectation of exemption from my No Trespassing signs. I have other neighbors that I socialize with and know well, who definitely have exemption from my No Trespassing signs, but they still call me when they want to come over. I do the same. [I agree]

2. When I talked to the woman, I took her to the side, while the other woman who doesn't even live here took care of both kids. It was a private one-on-one conversaton, and I certainly was not an ass. I was stern, but cordial and respectful, and did not raise my voice.

3. I threatened noone. I do not htreaten people. I react and respond to threats against me. In this case there was no threatening behavior, so there was no force response. I am a former cop and know how to talk to people to get my point across. [I understand you may not of intended to threaten her, but people don't always hear things the way we say them.] [How cops talk is not how neighbors talk]

4. I also want no liability for anything that may happen on my property related to this woman or her kids being there. For example, if one of her kids drowns in my pond or sneaks onto a hot shooting range is not something I want to contemplate. I do not want anyone on my property who doesn't have my permission to be there. I made my point very clear. Also, I do not "hint". I make my points very directly, especially where my rights and my privacy are concerned. [Very reasonable concerns, the fact you use the property for live-fire is definitely something you should mention.]

5. There were no "cuss" words used. I am not sure where you got that. [The :cuss: charecter was used as in 'blah blah blah' because what you say, and what she heard, are different things.]

6. I don't mind being neighborly. In fact, I told her that if she had asked for permission to take some pictures by my pond, I would have gladly given it. Since instead she and her party chose to sneak on my property from the back (based on which motion points were activated), I decided that she did not deserve consideration and needed to leave. [Harsh but reasonable]

7. Anti-social and anti-community, in my opinion, apply to her and not to me. My neighbors caught her previously on their property and were equally stern with her. This was my turn, and I do not believe that she will be back. I usually give people one chance in life, and if they screw up, they are out. She is persona non-grata as far as I am concerned. [You must be a lonely person, as even prophets from God make mistakes. If this is true, that you don't know how to forgive people, you are a hypocrite.]

There is by the way a reason that I live on fenced 20 acres, and not in a subdivision. The main one is that I don't want to deal with stupid people that I have had to deal with before I retired.

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OK. So this more detailed explanation was intended to come off a little better than your first post? Trying to explain where we misconstrued your generalities? You did gain a few points, but then you lost a few.

peter nap said:

+1

Joe, it's a good thought but as the country has rapidly become the newburbs, I'm afraid the old days of being neighborly are pretty much gone. The simple liability aspect is enough to keep everyone out.

I don't know the lady in question but the description immediately brings to mind one that moved near me and started truck farming. Without going into detail...she died a few years ago....and it still makes me happy I outlived the bi$%h.!

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tcmech said:

gis, I don't care what anyone says, if they say you are an ass, it's your property , and it's your right to be an ass if you want. Anyone who does not want you to treat them that way should not trespass.

Personally I not believe you were an ass and I think you were perfectly within your rights to do as you say you did.

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simmonsjoe said:

Why do people always confuse rights with privileges?:banghead: Having a right to be an ass only protects you from GOV'T interference. You still have to deal with the consequences to your actions from fellow citizens.

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Wolf_shadow said:

I have a right to be an A&&, and I will exercise said right when the time is right to do so. Unwelcomed trespass on my property warrants being an a&& about it. If someone doesn't like me being an a&& too bad. Even the 5 year old child next door has been taught by his parents if his ball goes in a neighbor’s yard, to ask first before going to get it. That is just good manners.

An adult, as in the case of the OP, should know to ask before entering private property. That is a big problem with the me generation, they don't respect others. When I was growing up you did not go onto anyone else’s property without permission. If your ball went into a neighbor’s yard you went to the door, knocked, and ask if you could retrieve it.

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simmonsjoe said:

Anyone who thinks there is not, and should not be a consequence for acting like an ass because it's their right, is contributing to the lack of respect we have for each other today.

If you don't want a society where people are rude and inconsiderate, then stop embracing it.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Not 'as they have done to you.'

So your gonna be an ass cause they were an ass. Then you lament because everyone is an ass.

Why not be a conscious objector.

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wylde007 said:

Some former coworkers of mine were doing some route surveying for a bypass in West Virginia. They happened upon a house in the woods that seems unoccupied at the time but had signs of recently being so.

Knowing local custom they left a couple of empty mason jars and a twenty on the porch and lit out.

Next day the jars were full and the twenty gone.

On the other end of the project they encountered a gentleman as they were doing recon and were intercepted crossing a private lane as they came through the woods. The fellow had a shotgun cradled in his arms. He said "You boys didn't see anything back there in them woods didja?"

"No. We didn't see anything."

"Good. Best thatcha keep it that way."

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ProShooter said:

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gis said:

About 9 A.M. this morning one of my outside motion sensors went off. Everyone here has at least ten aceres, so houses are very far apart. Unlike the indoor sensors, the outside ones do not produce a loud audible alarm, just alert me on the console and my Blackberry. My wife and I were getting ready to get out of the house and the dogs were indoors due to the heat. I looked out the window and saw several figures in the far corner of my property. The binoculars revealed two women with two kids (toddlers) apparently taking pictures. Since they were about 50 yards away from the Battlefield National Park fence, I assumed that they were park tourists. There are plenty of Private Property No Tresspassing signs that couldn't be missed.

After I made contact, I discovered that it was one of my neighbors (whom I had only met once before) and her kids' photographer who decided that they wanted to take pictures of the kids by my pond. They must have walked through the national park and snuck on my preperty from the back. I did not display a firearm, but was very stern and pointed out to the neighbor that her behavior endangered her entire party. I also pointed out that I have multiple levels of security including firearms, dogs and electronics, and that future violation of my property rights will be handled more severely. I was not specific. They left quickly without escalation and looked sufficiently shaken up. After calling another neighbor to share the story, I found out that this woman is, shall we say, a moron who does stupid unpredictable things going back 5-6 years. Well, long live Darwin!

Oh, and yes, the story is relevant, since weapons were carried, albeit concealed.

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gis said:

About 9 A.M. this morning one of my outside motion sensors went off. Everyone here has at least ten aceres, so houses are very far apart. Unlike the indoor sensors, the outside ones do not produce a loud audible alarm, just alert me on the console and my Blackberry. My wife and I were getting ready to get out of the house and the dogs were indoors due to the heat. I looked out the window and saw several figures in the far corner of my property. The binoculars revealed two women with two kids (toddlers) apparently taking pictures. Since they were about 50 yards away from the Battlefield National Park fence, I assumed that they were park tourists. There are plenty of Private Property No Tresspassing signs that couldn't be missed.

After I made contact, I discovered that it was one of my neighbors (whom I had only met once before) and her kids' photographer who decided that they wanted to take pictures of the kids by my pond. They must have walked through the national park and snuck on my preperty from the back. I did not display a firearm, but was very stern and pointed out to the neighbor that her behavior endangered her entire party. I also pointed out that I have multiple levels of security including firearms, dogs and electronics, and that future violation of my property rights will be handled more severely. I was not specific. They left quickly without escalation and looked sufficiently shaken up. After calling another neighbor to share the story, I found out that this woman is, shall we say, a moron who does stupid unpredictable things going back 5-6 years. Well, long live Darwin!

Oh, and yes, the story is relevant, since weapons were carried, albeit concealed.

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peter nap said:

That's funny and reminds me of home.

One of the reasons kids used to respect property rights back then was rocksalt. There was no quicker way to get a load of rocksalt than grabbing apples in an orchard. No one said much about it either except "That'll teach you" and it did!

I've found peppercorns work better on hunting dogs. Gives a better pattern with the same result.

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Gunslinger said:

Do that today and get charged with attempted murder. Times have changed, and not necessarily for the better, but they have changed.

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riverrat10k said:

You should have walked out there naked except for your gunbelt and boots.

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