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    Longmont Times - City council to vote on open carry ban tonight (June 29, 2010)

    if you live on or near Longmont, come to the meeting and speak against the open carry ban - the ban is far reaching - reaches even the city recreation center!
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    http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=22542

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    Publish Date: 6/29/2010

    What: Longmont City Council meeting
    When: 7 tonight

    Where: Longmont Civic Center, 350 Kimbark St.

    Information: 303-651-8649 or www.ci.longmont.co.us.

    Longmont mulls banning open-carry guns


    By Rachel Carter
    © 2010 Longmont Times-Call

    LONGMONT — City leaders tonight will consider banning the open carrying of firearms in city-owned buildings.


    City manager Gordon Pedrow asked the city attorney to draft an ordinance that would make it illegal to “knowingly carry a firearm unconcealed on or about one’s person or within one’s reach while in a city-owned or city-leased building.”


    The Longmont City Council is scheduled to take its first vote on the proposed ordinance tonight. The public hearing and final vote on the ordinance is scheduled for July 13.

    The ordinance would ban the open carrying of guns in the city’s public buildings, such as the Civic Center, library, museum and recreation center.

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    Pedrow told the council earlier this month that he asked for the ordinance because it is his job to make sure city employees and customers feel safe in city buildings.

    There have been some recent instances when Longmont resident Paul Tiger came to city offices wearing a sidearm, and some employees felt uncomfortable, Pedrow told the council.

    Another time, Tiger attended a council meeting openly wearing his sidearm, and Pedrow had to field questions from people about whether — and why — that was allowed.

    State law allows local governments to ban the open carrying of firearms in public buildings. If the council were to adopt the ordinance, signs would be posted on entrances of city-owned buildings saying the open carrying of firearms is not allowed.

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    I wish I was able to attend.

    Pedrow states that his job is to make people feel safe, not actually be safe. The poor guy even had to waste his time answering questions about open carry.

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    "State law allows local governments to ban the open carrying of firearms in public buildings. If the council were to adopt the ordinance, signs would be posted on entrances of city-owned buildings saying the open carrying of firearms is not allowed."

    That's exactly Why no municipality outside of Denver can ban open carry without posting proper signage. Period. Just Period. No if ands or buts. This includes Longmont.. Golden... Vail.. all those other obscure and outdated local laws. RMGO really needs to update their website...

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    In other words; Outside of Denver, for now, our State Preemption is extremely solid and well worded.

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    The issue isn't about what they are allowed to do. It's about if they should do it. They are allowed to pass the ban just like we are allowed to protest it and give our opinion on why they shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    The issue isn't about what they are allowed to do. It's about if they should do it. They are allowed to pass the ban just like we are allowed to protest it and give our opinion on why they shouldn't.
    No No The Issue has certainly been whether or not they were allowed to do it. There are multiple members of our Colorado forum that continue to fight, tooth and nail, to prove that Other Municipalities Outside of Denver can prohibit OC without properly posted Signage. DynamiteRabbit is one of those forum members- there are few more lurking around- you can certainly find out for yourself by reviewing one of the many "Can I OC here?" threads.

    This is just another article in support of the original and correct assertion that NO Jurisdiction Outside of Denver can prohibit Open Carry without posting proper signage. If they could- they would; and So Far everybody gets the message... Only Denver can lawfully ban OC without a sign. Since posting a sign at Every public entrance to an entire city is next to impossible- our State Preemption is so ******* solid you couldn't blow a whole through it with a KRISS .45
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    You are completely correct, though, that an entirely different issue has arisen... Should Longmont be banning the open carry of weapons to satisfy the wants of citizens of equal stature? State or local employee, or citizen, neighbor, or brother- we are all 100% Equal and we need to respect everybody equally. Open Carry should not be banned in their city buildings. Those D-Bags.

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    Longmont is not anti-gun, far from it. A good turnout will have the needed effect I would think. There may be some places that they ban OC--they CANNOT bad CC, but I would think an across the board ban would not be voted up. Until and unless CO passes a law making OC legal, not simply not unlawful, these situations will continue to come up. We need to kick out the democrap pieces of **** from the Governor on down this November. Then we can work on both this and removing Denver County's ban on OC by putting decent justices on the State SC.

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    And the vote was... ?
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cscitney87 View Post
    No No The Issue has certainly been whether or not they were allowed to do it. There are multiple members of our Colorado forum that continue to fight, tooth and nail, to prove that Other Municipalities Outside of Denver can prohibit OC without properly posted Signage. DynamiteRabbit is one of those forum members- there are few more lurking around- you can certainly find out for yourself by reviewing one of the many "Can I OC here?" threads.
    You are absolutely mistaken that I've ever said that cities can prohibit OC. What I have said, is that some cities claim the power to prohibit OC due to their home rule charter.

    The minutes from the meeting are at http://www.ci.longmont.co.us/city_co...010/062910.htm

    I don't believe there was a vote on it -- this was the first reading.

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    Cool

    Got it.

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    O-2010-22, A Bill for an Ordinance Amending Chapter 10.28 of the Longmont Municipal Code on Weapons (Public Hearing and Second Reading Scheduled for July 13, 2010)

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    So who's going to this with a gun strapped on their belt?

    Count me and my fiance in, both strapped

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    They passed their vote on July 13.

    http://www.dailycamera.com/longmont-news/ci_15509343

    Here's an article from the Longmont Ledger:
    http://longmontledger.com/news/longm...ity-buildings/
    Last edited by Shaman; 07-29-2010 at 02:21 PM.
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    And...

    ...what's going on with this? Any challenge to the Constitutionality of their ban here?
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    A city ordinance stating that open carry is prohibited in certain buildings without posting all entrances is pre-empted by state law. However, the ordinance linked in #12 above includes the posting of such signs, so the ordinance does not conflict with state law.
    Last edited by Anubis; 12-26-2010 at 01:35 PM.

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    Ok, the scope has been further defined by the articles than the OP's thread title seemed to suggest.

    As for the justification involving "unnerved city employees," one might think a city in Colorado could find more hardy souls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Ok, the scope has been further defined by the articles than the OP's thread title seemed to suggest.

    As for the justification involving "unnerved city employees," one might think a city in Colorado could find more hardy souls.
    They all moved here from Kalifornia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    They all moved here from Kalifornia.
    Given their behavior, that's quite plausible!
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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