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    Michigan CPL: Carry Privilege Suspensions

    According to published data on the Michigan State Police web site, 2,713 Michigan Concealed Pistol Licenses (CPLs), as of April 6th, 2009 have been suspended by Michigan County Gun Boards this year. In fact, a total of 1,580 CPL suspensions, representing more than 58% of the total number of CPL suspensions state-wide, occurred in the tri-County area: Wayne (928), Oakland (635), and Macomb (317).
    PA 381 of 2000, specifies several events that either will or may cause trigger a suspension of a CPL licensee's privileges. This article will enumerate and specify those antecedents in an effort to inform metro Detroit licensees about how easy it is to be subject to a suspension of concealed carry privileges. CPL revocations are outside of the scope of this article.

    Antecedent 1: CPL Licensee Is Criminally Charged
    If a CPL licensee is either charged with a felony, a specified misdemeanor listed in PA 381 of 2000, or both, the County Gun Board SHALL immediately suspend the licensee's CPL until there is a final disposition of the charges. The County Gun Board will send notification of the suspension via certified mail to the licensee's last known address according to its own internal records. The notice will also inform the licensee of his right to have a prompt hearing on the suspension if it is requested in writing.

    Antecedent 2: CPL Licensee Is Suspected Of Being Dangerous
    If a CPL licensee is suspected of either being dangerous to himself or another person because of clear and convincing evidence based on specific articulable facts the County Gun Board SHALL immediately suspend the licensee's CPL until a revocation hearing is conducted. The County Gun Board will send notification of the suspension via certified mail to the licensee's last known address according to its own internal records. The notice will also inform the licensee of his right to have a prompt hearing on the suspension if it is requested in writing.

    Antecedent 3: CPL Licensee Violates A Pistol-Free Zone (First Off.)
    If a CPL licensee is found responsible for violating a pistol-free zone, as a first offense civil infraction, the court of jurisdiction SHALL order that the respective County Gun Board suspend the CPL licensee's concealed carry privileges for six months.

    Note 1: Subsequent violations of Pistol-Free Zones are not civil infractions.

    Antecedent 4: CPL Licensee Refuses Chemical Analysis
    A CPL licensee may be required to submit to a chemical analysis by a law enforcement officer if there is probable cause that he is carrying a concealed pistol with an unlawful blood alcohol content (BAC) of at least .02 or higher.

    A licensee may refuse to submit to the analysis and as a result of that refusal the law enforcement officer SHALL inform the CPL licensee that a court order MAY be obtained to force his compliance to the analysis AND that he MAY have his concealed carry privileges suspended or revoked as a consequence. If the CPL licensee still refuses to submit to the analysis, the law enforcement officer SHALL promptly notify the County Gun Board of record of the licensee's refusal in writing.

    The County Gun Board MAY, as a result of the licensee's refusal to submit to a chemical analysis, notify the CPL licensee that a revocation hearing will be conducted to consider sanctions - a suspension or revocation - against his concealed carry privileges. A notice of a hearing SHALL be provided to the licensee with at least 10 days' advance notice and SHALL be made via certified mail at the licensee's last known address according to its own internal records.

    Antecedent 5: CPL Licensee Fails To Disclose Status
    If a CPL licensee does not immediately disclose to a law enforcement officer, during a traffic stop, that he is lawfully carrying a concealed pistol he may be found responsible for state civil infraction which MAY result in a fine, a six month CPL suspension, or both.

    Note 2: Subsequent violations of failing to disclose CPL status to law enforcement officers during traffic stops SHALL cause the CPL to be revoked.

    Antecedent 6: CPL Licensee Gets Three Civil Infractions
    If a CPL licensee is found responsible for violating three or more state civil infractions - defined in PA 381 of 2000 - within one licensing period, the County Gun Board SHALL conduct a hearing and MAY suspend the licensee's concealed carry privileges for not more than one year. A notice of a hearing SHALL be provided to the licensee with at least 10 days' advance notice and SHALL be made via certified mail at the licensee's last known address according to its own internal records.

    State civil infractions defined in PA 381 of 2000 are listed as the following:

    Carrying In A Pistol-Free Zone (First Offense)
    Carrying A Concealed Pistol Without Possession of CPL ID
    Failing To Display Driver's License And CPL To Law Enforcement Officer Upon Request
    Failing To Inform Law Enforcement Officer During A Traffic Stop Of Possession Of A Concealed Firearm
    Carrying A Firearm With A BAC Between .02 And .08
    Refusing To Submit To A Chemical Analysis
    Note 3: Carrying a firearm with a BAC of greater than .02 and less than .08 MAY result in a CPL revocation, which is beyond the scope of this article.

    Note 4: Refusing to submit to a chemical analysis MAY result in a CPL revocation, which is beyond the scope of this article.
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    What is the point of this thread?

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    Kind of thought it was a little Ironic 60% were in 3 counties. Dunno maybe its just me. 95% percent probably deserved it...
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    I found it interesting, I dont know about ironic. Perhaps its population density?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I found it interesting, I dont know about ironic. Perhaps its population density?

    Prolly to many rubber stamps from the gun boards.

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    Thanks...
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    irony?

    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I found it interesting, I dont know about ironic. Perhaps its population density?

    BTW, welcome to OCDO
    this new poster doesnt actually write anything of his own, he's just pointing and clicking.

    BUT, it's ironic, for sure!!


    Antecedent 3: CPL Licensee Violates A Pistol-Free Zone (First Off.)
    If a CPL licensee is found responsible for violating a pistol-free zone, as a first offense civil infraction, the court of jurisdiction SHALL order that the respective County Gun Board suspend the CPL licensee's concealed carry privileges for six months.
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    LOL what you want a biography, cover letter and resume...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    this new poster doesnt actually write anything of his own, he's just pointing and clicking.

    BUT, it's ironic, for sure!!


    Antecedent 3: CPL Licensee Violates A Pistol-Free Zone (First Off.)
    If a CPL licensee is found responsible for violating a pistol-free zone, as a first offense civil infraction, the court of jurisdiction SHALL order that the respective County Gun Board suspend the CPL licensee's concealed carry privileges for six months.
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    couldnt get proof of Obamas birth either lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by infidel4life View Post
    According to published data on the Michigan State Police web site, 2,713 Michigan Concealed Pistol Licenses (CPLs), as of April 6th, 2009 have been suspended by Michigan County Gun Boards this year. In fact, a total of 1,580 CPL suspensions, representing more than 58% of the total number of CPL suspensions state-wide, occurred in the tri-County area: Wayne (928), Oakland (635), and Macomb (317).
    PA 381 of 2000, specifies several events that either will or may cause trigger a suspension of a CPL licensee's privileges. This article will enumerate and specify those antecedents in an effort to inform metro Detroit licensees about how easy it is to be subject to a suspension of concealed carry privileges. CPL revocations are outside of the scope of this article.
    Huh their are approxamatily 250,000 CPL holders within the State of Michigan (http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/). So let me get this strait about 1% of people violate their pistol license which is a right given to them by the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution Of the State Of Michigan. But yet I don't know a single person whom has never broken a traffic law whom holds a Michigan Drivers License which is only a privlidge, so we will be genrous and give that a 95% statistic. So the statistics are:
    CPL holders whom violate (over a lifetime) their license 1%
    DL holders whom violate (over a lifetime) their license 95-100%
    I would say that CPL holders (gun-carriers) are MUCH safer and MUCH more responcible than DL holders (drivers)!
    WOW! Once you use logic, your arguement kinda breaks down, doesn't it TROLL.
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    +1 *snickers with applause*

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    Quote Originally Posted by infidel4life View Post
    Kind of thought it was a little Ironic 60% were in 3 counties. Dunno maybe its just me. 95% percent probably deserved it...
    bunch of criminals down there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
    bunch of criminals down there
    Did you read my previous post? Oh and try not to feed the troll, although I think I may have defeted it with logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastmeyers View Post
    Did you read my previous post? Oh and try not to feed the troll, although I think I may have defeted it with logic.
    I did, I couldn't help myself

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    Couple of issues with the data presented:

    1. I don't have the inclination because the raw numbers don't seem that large to me, but one could try to figure out the violations per 100 permits... that information would be more useful.

    2. From the information provided by MSP, we really don't know how many permit holders there are, we just know how many have been issued. Generally, what many people think of as the number of CPL holders is what the MSP website gives as the number processed. Besides the problem of the grand total including those that have expired, the website lumps renewals and new permits together. Believe it or not, there are a large number of permit holders who have renewed and, if they do, they would be considered twice in the grand total.

    3. Some of the information MAY include those who are denied permits. The MSP includes those in the "processed" category. One has to look at the number "approved". This goes back to my statement 2 above.

    4. There are those who also get the CPL but don't carry. I can't believe the number of people who get the cpl and still just bring their pistol to the range and, when they do, they lock it up in the trunk just as they would without the cpl.

    5. Some counties don't report their suspensions, and those are noted under the individual counties. I've also heard, but not verified, that some boards do not report all of their suspensions, just some of them. Once again, it may be a small number BUT adds to the other issues listed above.

    So, the point of my posting all of this is that one needs to really take the MSP information with a grain of salt. It is helpful in only very general terms and really can't be used to make any solid observations.
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