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    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition.

    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition. How can that be considering the incredible risk that the DNR NRA gallus-snappers would have us believe an air shot represents, let alone an multi-gun salute? SCROOM Have a thankful, fun and ARMED INDEPENDENCE DAY.

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    dang doug, i can't do it here; illegal to discharge a firearm in racine county. i can buy some fireworks, with a permit out by the interstate, but i can't blast them off either- illegal. figure that one out, i'm still trying to.

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    Yeah, you can have your independance just don't celebrate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition. How can that be considering the incredible risk that the DNR NRA gallus-snappers would have us believe an air shot represents,
    It is not a risk for the person pulling the trigger but it is a great risk for those unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end. There have been plenty of confirmed fatalaties from such "low risk" actions. There have been plety of tests also done to calculate the velocity of the bullets when they come back down. The odds are low that someone could shoot straight up and these odds diminish as the BAC increases...
    Using a special rig, the testers shot the .30 caliber bullet straight into the air. It came down bottom (not point) first at what was later computed to be about 300 feet per second.
    Experiments on cadavers and such have shown, for example, that a .38 caliber revolver bullet will perforate the skin and lodge in the underlying tissue at 191 feet per second and that triple-ought buckshot will do so at 213 feet per second.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDS_2ooqpU
    http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50

    People are not smart enough to ensure their rounds go into the berm and stay there when they are at the range. To encourage these same brilliant individals to shoot into the air using a celebration for an excuse should have no place on the forum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    It is not a risk for the person pulling the trigger but it is a great risk for those unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end. There have been plenty of confirmed fatalaties from such "low risk" actions. There have been plety of tests also done to calculate the velocity of the bullets when they come back down. The odds are low that someone could shoot staight up and these odds diminish as the BAC increases...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDS_2ooqpU
    http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50
    Shooting up in the air, not a real smart thing to do. Funny someone here would even mention doing something like that, Oh wait..it came from Dougy, I bet Gleason would be ok with firing in the air too...go figure, LOL I would say, what Interceptor wrote here is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    It is not a risk for the person pulling the trigger but it is a great risk for those unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end. There have been plenty of confirmed fatalaties from such "low risk" actions. There have been plety of tests also done to calculate the velocity of the bullets when they come back down. The odds are low that someone could shoot straight up and these odds diminish as the BAC increases...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDS_2ooqpU
    http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50

    People are not smart enough to ensure their rounds go into the berm and stay there when they are at the range. To encourage these same brilliant individals to shoot into the air using a celebration for an excuse should have no place on the forum...
    In our city parade the veterans did a 21 gun salute at several points throughout the parade. Of course they were using blanks as should be. But I must say it did add something to the whole display. It was great. I hope they keep that in the future parades.

    As for joe public, I would have to think that even firing off blanks in town is going to land you with a unlawful discharge of a firearm citation and maybe even an arrest.

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    I have a range on my property. I shoot there weekly but especially on the 4th of July. The neighbors like it, they say it puts goblins on notice that there are armed people here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Gleason View Post
    In our city parade the veterans did a 21 gun salute at several points throughout the parade. Of course they were using blanks as should be. But I must say it did add something to the whole display. It was great. I hope they keep that in the future parades..
    That absolutely adds something to the display. This should be done by more units!!

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    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition.

    Have a thankful, fun and ARMED INDEPENDENCE DAY.

    Arm yourself with the truth. Don't let others, union thugs, thug justice wannabes, think for you. Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview. (The latter clause excuses the invincibly ignorant arrantly errant.)

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    "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    Shooting up in the air, not a real smart thing to do. Funny someone here would even mention doing something like that, Oh wait..it came from Dougy, I bet Gleason would be ok with firing in the air too...go figure, LOL I would say, what Interceptor wrote here is correct.
    Where did Doug mention anywhere about firing live rounds? And where does J Gleason advocate it being ok to firing live rounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    Where did Doug mention anywhere about firing live rounds?
    Right there in the OP. He is mocking "the NRA" for proclaiming it unsafe to shoot into the air.... His post would simply not make sense if what he "really" meant was shooting blanks.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition. How can that be considering the incredible risk that the DNR NRA gallus-snappers would have us believe an air shot represents, let alone an multi-gun salute? SCROOM Have a thankful, fun and ARMED INDEPENDENCE DAY.

    ZogZamn the Obamanation and its thug union thugs!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzHs...eature=related

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    Point: a fine firm tradition.


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    Where did Doug mention anywhere about firing live rounds?

    Interceptor_Knight
    Right there in the OP. He is mocking "the NRA" for proclaiming it unsafe to shoot into the air.... His post would simply not make sense if what he "really" meant was shooting blanks.....


    Again: Where does He say anything about using live rounds , Subject and point make it very clear as does the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzHs...eature=related
    Again: Where does He say anything about using live rounds , Subject and point make it very clear as does the video.
    Please provide a source where the DNR and NRA is critical of firing blanks during "salutes".... and his post will make sense in reference to using blanks....
    In the absense of such a cite, it can be reasonably inferred that "Air Shot" refers to a shot being fired into the air.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    dang doug, i can't do it here; illegal to discharge a firearm in racine county. i can buy some fireworks, with a permit out by the interstate, but i can't blast them off either- illegal. figure that one out, i'm still trying to.
    Anything that leaves the ground, or explodes is illegal in Michigan. Fortunately there's an Indian Reservation not far down the road where they can sell them, and even more fortunate, is that the cops don't bother those who do blow them off, unless they're doing something stupid with them.

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    Thats pretty funny the "arrant knight errant" telling us "can be reasonably inferred." Yeah, I have read most of what huffman has written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    Please provide a source where the DNR and NRA is critical of firing blanks during "salutes".... and his post will make sense in reference to using blanks....
    In the absense of such a cite, it can be reasonably inferred that "Air Shot" refers to a shot being fired into the air.....
    As you knew that I would not find a source for the d.n.r. or n.r.a. being critical of firing blanks in the course of salutes, Cite for me where Doug has advised,encouraged and condoned the misuse of a firearm in anyway that would cause harm to another person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Quixote View Post
    Thats pretty funny the "arrant knight errant" telling us "can be reasonably inferred." Yeah, I have read most of what huffman has written.
    No matter how much you try to talk about yourself in the 3rd person, the fact remains that the emperor (sock puppet) has no clothes Doug....

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    As you knew that I would not find a source for the d.n.r. or n.r.a. being critical of firing blanks in the course of salutes, Cite for me where Doug has advised,encouraged and condoned the misuse of a firearm in anyway that would cause harm to another person.
    The alternative is that Doug merely fabricated the inferrence (neither the NRA nor the WI DNR actually object to the shooting of blanks) and was merely getting a head start to meet his personal quota of bashing both the NRA and the DNR for the month and use of his personal idioms. This is contrary to his use of the nomenclature "air shot" which would infer shooting a projectile into the air.

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    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition.

    Hyuck yuck yuck. Moving on from the arrant knight errant and his misplaced priorities. Today is a day for celebration, reaffirmation and retrenchment.

    The risk is proportional to the surface area of the target divided by the surface area of the semisphere containing the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    ...Cite for me where Doug has advised,encouraged and condoned the misuse of a firearm in anyway that would cause harm to another person.
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    The risk is proportional to the surface area of the target divided by the surface area of the semisphere containing the target.
    Assuming that it is even remotely possible for everyone to be shooting in a truly random direction. Reality is that the actual risk is higher than what you propose. It all is only applicable if we are discussing live rounds and firing bullets into the air instead of just using blanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    I believe Mythbusters did this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire
    http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50

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    Independence Day gun salutes, a fine firm tradition.

    Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting world view.

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    I think it is absolutely ridiculous that we pick apart every comment that is made in a general discussion on this forum.
    Unless there is something being said that will lead a forum browser to believe they can do something that is blatantly illegal lets try to refrain from all of this egotistical banter please.

    I think common sense is in order here. No where did Doug talk about firing "live rounds" into the air. And to be honest if Doug stood in the middle of his acreage and did such a thing, the probability of anyone being hurt is slim to none and don't even think of asking for a citation as I said earlier it s common sense. If you are standing in the middle of your own, lets say 40 acre parcel and you fire a round straight up into the air the odds of that round hitting anyone are zero. There is no argument here and it is foolish to make it into an argument only as an attempt to prove your worthiness to this forum. Everyone here is a valued member, whether you like them or not.

    I can see the bantering on serious issues but not on every comment made. Please get over it.

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