'Reasonable regulation'...Should open carry be banned? (Answer the questions)

Dave Workman · Jul 1, 2010

Brace yourselves for 'reasonable regulation'

How do you feel about licensing gun owners, registering all of their firearms, requiring training in order to own a firearm, mandatory liability insurance for every gun owner, limiting citizens to owning a single handgun for personal protection, background checks for all firearms transactions and mandatory waiting periods on all gun purchases?

Anti-gun newspaper editorials are giving us a road-map to where gun prohibitionists want the country to go following Monday's SCOTUS ruling in McDonald v. Chicago...

[Be sure to read all the way to the bottom and answer the questions!]

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seat...d1-Brace-yourselves-for-reasonable-regulation

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/28kudgj

daddy4count · Jul 1, 2010

Q: Should all guns or just handguns be registered?
A: All firearms should be registered at the time of purchase from a licensed reseller. Beyond that no.

Q. Should gun owners be licensed?
A: No, not for owning a gun. Unless you count some form of identification proving age and residency... but a specific "License to own a firearm" is redundant. Would we also need a License to Speak Freely?

Q. Should people be limited to one gun purchase per month?
A: No, what would that do? That is on equal footing with limiting handguns to 10 rounds of ammunition. It is an ineffectual strategy to represent the notion that something is being done to curb violent crime.

Q. Should training be required before citizens can purchase a firearm?
A: I am on the fence here... I really believe that you should have some form of training or education before you are allowed to own a killing machine. We require training and testing to drive a car, for instance. But the law would have to be very specific and probably over bloated with rhetoric in order to quantify what "training" would be as defined by the states.

Q. Should gun owners be required to have liability insurance?
A: No, but I can see a new market opening up for Firearm Liability Insurance... if they are going to let the scum bags sue us after being shot, we should have the option of buying some form of indemnity. Note I said OPTION.

Q. Should open carry be banned?
A: No, not unless a reasonable and compelling argument can be made as to it being unsafe or unreasonable.

Q. Should right-to-carry / "Shall-issue" laws be repealed and carry permits only be issued at the discretion of local sheriffs and police chiefs?
A: No, it should remain a state issue... if each municipality has its own regulations then just driving up the Interstate from one city to the next would become a legal nightmare.

YoZUpZ · Jul 1, 2010

Dave Workman said:
Brace yourselves for 'reasonable regulation'

How do you feel about licensing gun owners, registering all of their firearms, requiring training in order to own a firearm, mandatory liability insurance for every gun owner, limiting citizens to owning a single handgun for personal protection, background checks for all firearms transactions and mandatory waiting periods on all gun purchases?

How do I feel about it? What part of "shall not be infringed" do these claimed "constitutional professionals" not understand? Thats how I feel.

They know 100% well that the reason behind the second ammendment is to ensure that the citizens of this country have a way to fix or overthrow a treasonous government...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."

...yet, they of course don't like the meaning because THEY are the "government"...

The supreme court's ruling was a step in the right direction, but not a big enough step.

Dreamer · Jul 1, 2010

Let me translate what this codeword, "reasonable Regulation" really means...

What the people who are proposing "reasonable regulation" are REALLY saying is that they believe it is "reasonable" to regulate the freedom and civil rights of people who are not what they consider to be the "right kinds of people".

And from the last several decades of that phrase--"the right kinds of people"--I think we all know what that means.

It means, the poor. It means anyone who isn't white, wealthy and well-connected. It means anyone who exercises their First Amendment rights to dissent against oppressive government or corrupt politicians. It means anyone who dares to stand up in protest--in the streets, on the internet, or in print. It means anyone who they want to keep dependent on the system--single mothers, the elderly, the displaced, the disenfranchised, and the uneducated.

"Reasonable Regulation" is Jim Crow taken to an even more deep level of evil. It's not just racist, it's classist.

And if you're not in the right "class", they want to regulate your CIVIL RIGHTS.

It starts with "gun control". Next will be "press control", "web control", and "voice control"...

Be afraid. Be angry. Be Brave. and Be Prepared. The "end game" is afoot, because they realize that they are losing their grasp of control. The tyrants have become cornered, wounded animals--they are at their most dangerous in this time...

Jack House · Jul 1, 2010

Q: Should all guns or just handguns be registered?
A: No gun should ever be registered. It will lead directly to another incidently like that in New Orleans where guns were being confiscated from law-abiding citizens.

Q. Should gun owners be licensed?
A: No. See above.

Q. Should people be limited to one gun purchase per month?
A: No, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for purchasing more than one a month.

Q. Should training be required before citizens can purchase a firearm?
A: No. Training is not required for you to be able to exercise any of your other fundamental rights. So why should it be for your 2A right?

Q. Should gun owners be required to have liability insurance?
A: No. Do you have to have liability insurance to exercise your right to free speech? Do you have to have liability insurance to exercise your right to self defense?

Q. Should open carry be banned?
A: No. What benefit would banning open carry achieve? No criminal openly carries their weapons as it would draw too much attention to them. Only law abiding citizens openly carry.

Q. Should right-to-carry / "Shall-issue" laws be repealed and carry permits only be issued at the discretion of local sheriffs and police chiefs?
A: No, that would be unreasonable and easily lead to discrimination. The difference between shall-issue and may-issue is that may-issue allows and even encourages discrimination, including racial, whereas shall-issue disallows and prevents most discrimination. Though permits are already unreasonably infringing on your rights. They will have no impact whatsoever on criminals that carry and only prevent law abiding citizens from carrying. There are already laws about using firearms to commit a crime which are very severe punishments. If the criminal is will to commit a felony, they are not going to care about a misdemeanor charge of carrying a gun without a carry license.

AL Ranger · Jul 1, 2010

Jack House said:
Q: Should all guns or just handguns be registered?
A: No gun should ever be registered. It will lead directly to another incidently like that in New Orleans where guns were being confiscated from law-abiding citizens.

Q. Should gun owners be licensed?
A: No. See above.

Q. Should people be limited to one gun purchase per month?
A: No, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for purchasing more than one a month.

Q. Should training be required before citizens can purchase a firearm?
A: No. Training is not required for you to be able to exercise any of your other fundamental rights. So why should it be for your 2A right?

Q. Should gun owners be required to have liability insurance?
A: No. Do you have to have liability insurance to exercise your right to free speech? Do you have to have liability insurance to exercise your right to self defense?

Q. Should open carry be banned?
A: No. What benefit would banning open carry achieve? No criminal openly carries their weapons as it would draw too much attention to them. Only law abiding citizens openly carry.

Q. Should right-to-carry / "Shall-issue" laws be repealed and carry permits only be issued at the discretion of local sheriffs and police chiefs?
A: No, that would be unreasonable and easily lead to discrimination. The difference between shall-issue and may-issue is that may-issue allows and even encourages discrimination, including racial, whereas shall-issue disallows and prevents most discrimination. Though permits are already unreasonably infringing on your rights. They will have no impact whatsoever on criminals that carry and only prevent law abiding citizens from carrying. There are already laws about using firearms to commit a crime which are very severe punishments. If the criminal is will to commit a felony, they are not going to care about a misdemeanor charge of carrying a gun without a carry license.

+1 and AMEN 'cause you're preachin' to the choir!

Dave Workman · Jul 1, 2010

Guys:

It helps immensely if you also add your comments at the end of the column in the "Comments" section.

Thx

rodbender · Jul 2, 2010

Q: Should all guns or just handguns be registered?
A: Neither one. Absolutely no registration of any kind for "ARMS" of any type.

Q. Should gun owners be licensed?
A: No, period. End of discussion.

Q. Should people be limited to one gun purchase per month?
A: No, period. End of discussion.

Q. Should training be required before citizens can purchase a firearm?
A: No, period. End of discussion.

Q. Should gun owners be required to have liability insurance?
A: No, period. End of discussion.

Q. Should open carry be banned?
A: No, period. End of discussion.

Q. Should right-to-carry / "Shall-issue" laws be repealed and carry permits only be issued at the discretion of local sheriffs and police chiefs?
A: Should right-to-carry / "Shall-issue" laws be repealed? Absolutely.
Should carry permits only be issued at the discretion of local sheriffs and police chiefs? Absolutely NOT!!

Jack House · Jul 2, 2010

Dave Workman said:
Guys:

It helps immensely if you also add your comments at the end of the column in the "Comments" section.

Thx

Stupid character limits.

bigdaddy1 · Jul 2, 2010

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you have a problem with Usually shuts them up

SouthernBoy · Jul 2, 2010

Two questions you must always ask yourself when government says they are here to help you or to fix a problem.

o What is it going to cost?
o What am I going to lose?

The old adage, "there's no such thing as a free lunch" may be a little inconvenient in the business world, but when applied to government, it is generally an open door to disaster.

45acpForMe · Jul 2, 2010

Training required

I am 100% FOR mandatory training!

The training should start in Kindergarten and end at high school rifle teams! Everyone should be taught gun safety before they own a gun but not the way politicians want.

With all K-12 schools teaching gun safety and why the 2nd ammendment exists we would be a better nation.

The Expert · Jul 2, 2010

45acpForMe said:
I am 100% FOR mandatory training!

The training should start in Kindergarten and end at high school rifle teams! Everyone should be taught gun safety before they own a gun but not the way politicians want.
With all K-12 schools teaching gun safety and why the 2nd ammendment exists we would be a better nation.

Now THERE'S a good idea. I was always against "mandatory" anything in regards to guns, but this is something I can back.

eye95 · Jul 2, 2010

The Expert said:
Now THERE'S a good idea. I was always against "mandatory" anything in regards to guns, but this is something I can back.

Horrible idea. Do you really want the government to be in charge of gun safety indoctri...er...education. I don't.

I don't want them in charge of any education. And, I was a high school teacher.

elixin77 · Jul 2, 2010

eye95 said:
Horrible idea. Do you really want the government to be in charge of gun safety indoctri...er...education. I don't.

I don't want them in charge of any education. And, I was a high school teacher.

Make it a course that kids' parents can enroll their kids in for an after school activity, make it an elective that students can choose during middle and high school, and have after school rifle marksmanship teams set up. Have them use .22's because the ammo's dirt cheap.

What about something like that?

eye95 · Jul 2, 2010

elixin77 said:
Make it a course that kids' parents can enroll their kids in for an after school activity, make it an elective that students can choose during middle and high school, and have after school rifle marksmanship teams set up. Have them use .22's because the ammo's dirt cheap.

What about something like that?

Voluntary would be fine. I still don't like the idea of the government being responsible. Well, I don't like the government running education in general.

45acpForMe · Jul 2, 2010

eye95 said:
Voluntary would be fine. I still don't like the idea of the government being responsible. Well, I don't like the government running education in general.

Well you are assuming the gov't would approve my plan in the first place.

I didn't say the gubbermant schools, I said K-12. IMHO we can save alot of money by doing away with the department of education and simply let states/counties manage their schools.

eye95 · Jul 2, 2010

45acpForMe said:
Well you are assuming the gov't would approve my plan in the first place.

I didn't say the gubbermant schools, I said K-12. IMHO we can save alot of money by doing away with the department of education and simply let states/counties manage their schools.

I don't even like the States/counties running the schools. Let 'em fund it and then get out of the way!

GLOCK21GB · Jul 2, 2010

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. No
7. No

rodbender · Jul 2, 2010

eye95 said:
Horrible idea. Do you really want the government to be in charge of gun safety indoctri...er...education. I don't.

I don't want them in charge of any education. And, I was a high school teacher.

Well, eye, there ain't much we agree on but this is one of those rare occassions. I agree 100%.

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