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    Newcastle Police over stepping their authority - Calls needed!!!

    Newcastle Wyoming, police terrorize family on an alleged barking dog complaint
    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2...-dog-complaint


    VOICE YOUR OUTRAGE!!!

    Please call the Newcastle Wyoming Police Department and let them know we are watching them, let them know that we are just waiting to bring them in front of a Jury the next time they abuse their power.

    Newcastle Police (307) 746-4486

    Newcastle City Hall (307) 746-3535

    City Hall email: cityofnewcastle@rtconnect.net

    Also call the Newcastle Chamber of Commerce and tell them these actions by the police could cause a loss in tourism dollars.
    Newcastle Chamber of Commerce (307) 746-2739

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    Folks who live here also need to write letters to the editor of the local paper. If we don't put a stop to this, anyone could be next.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    The "Examiners" credibility has reached about nil.

    Hiya Tony. I am pleased with the cops' response to your barking dogs. It's a lot less trouble for everyone than shotgun blasts in the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Guy View Post
    The "Examiners" credibility has reached about nil
    Nice move. You make a statement, and back it up with nothing at all.

    Including the post above, the total contribution value of all of your to-date posts remains at -1.

    Now where did I put that troll picture?

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    "I have stated that the influx of police from out of state has caused similar incidents here in Wyoming. It would appear that these occurrences are happening at a greater rate."

    Why are Wyoming PDs hiring cops from out of state? If a LEO's unemplyed it's a safe bet that he/she got fired because of poor job performance or for actions that were embarressing to the department, or both.

    Locke needs to be shitcanned. There's no excuse for endangering the public and tyrannical behavior, which is exactly what he did!

    IMHO, it's better to have a understaffed PD that has good LEOs than to fill the department out with lamers like Locke.

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    Let me get this straight the article is really weak on facts and heavy on emotion playing up the anti gun/anti freedom theme instead of stating objectively what happened.

    Police come and knock on your door at 0100

    You answer door with gun in hand

    Walk outside with gun in hand

    Cops draw down on you & disarm you till they figure out what's going on for your and their safety.

    What's wrong with this???

    The LEO's want to go home alive at the end of the shift.

    They have no idea who you are, what drugs you have been doing, how much alcohol you have been drinking and have no idea your mental state at 0100

    But they do know they have been dispatched to your house for a complaint and that complaint warrants investigation so they knock on your door

    Sounds like the LEO's did nothing wrong, no dogs shot and everybody went home & back to sleep.

    Funny how somebody who has no idea what it's like being a LEO has no idea what that target on your chest means and has never walked a foot in your shoes knows so much more than you do......and how you need to do your job better.

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    Question – why do these Rambo Cops keep turning up in Wyoming?

    Later that same morning at 4am Mr. Schlup went down to the police station to request information about the incident where he was told – “The chief of police will review your request and decide if the request will be granted or not”. Sounds like the blue code of silence to me.


    What qualifies this as a "rambo cop" let allone one from "out of state" or is AB just guessing the LEO in question is from "out of state"

    Oh and what about the 0400 bulcrap, the incident happened at 011, what even makes you thing anybody is at the police station other than a dispatcher, why would the officer have submitted his report so soon, especially if he was on patrol and not been able to complete the required paperwork.

    Big deal the Chief will review it when he comes in in the morning....he's not going to come in at 0400 to hear somebody bitch and cry when nothing happened, nobody got hurt and the dog is safe and sound in bed sleeping....Once the Chief reviews if and you have a answer from him then you either escalate it or not...

    But at 0400...that in itself is a joke and reflects on the author of the muckraking story...

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    This is where you ask yourself - is Wyoming becoming a police state?

    From the town website – “Newcastle Police seek to protect and serve the public through providing the highest level of public safety while protecting the rights and dignity of the public”.


    Obviously the author has never been to a real police state, has no idea what a real police state is like & is instead attempting to stir up bad feelings based on emotional reporting instead of facts...

    What is the authors political agenda here.....

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    Wouldn't you say Officer Greg Locke missed the mark?

    I have stated that the influx of police from out of state has caused similar incidents here in Wyoming. It would appear that these occurrences are happening at a greater rate.


    How did the officer miss the mark, nobody was hurt, nobody dies, no dogs were turned into supper and everybody went home...

    What is the influx of police from out of WY.....

    Documented data, not what the author "feels" is going on...reporter report the news, not make it and apply emotional twists to manipulate you to feel how they want you to feel.....

    Compared to other jobs and people from out of WY

    How many people move into our out of WY....

    More LEO jobs are going OUT of state than in state, out of state pays better, has better benefits and more to do than watching grass grow or answering 0100 noise complaints.....

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    This all happened because of an alleged barking dog complaint.

    Now I don't know where you are from but I've lived all kinds of places with neighbors who dogs bark all night and it is extremly annoying, do you know if anybody contacted the homeowners about the dogs previously, what the LEO's found upon investigation, do you have any idea if they even had any dogs barking or is this just another way to get emotions going...

    I've wanted to shoot the neighbors dogs, have talked to them to no avail and got so sick of it at 0200 called the local LEO's....all over stupid humans ignoring and neglecting their dogs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Guy View Post
    The "Examiners" credibility has reached about nil

    To reach nil it's got to go up

    nothing to the story but muckraking yellow journalism trying to pander to emotions instead of fact based data.

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    Mjolnir, that's big city cop BS talk. This is a very small town, and there was no hint of any threat to the policeman. He had absolutely no justification for pointing a gun at anyone. Unfortunately, this has been made into a rather stupid emotional circus and I hope we can get rid of that aspect as soon as possible.

    We need to build better relationships, bridges, community between all of us who live here. We don't need this Us against Them mentality. We are not the enemy of the police or anyone else. And we will do whatever we can to keep them from becoming our enemies. We ALL want to go home in one piece. Mistakes were made on both sides. We're going to make it our business to communicate and come together on this, if possible.

    But that does not mean we will ever stand by meekly while our rights are violated.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    Thumbs down

    When banging on the door (especially for a noise complaint), THEY NEED TO ID THEMSELVES AS THE POLICE! Had they been professional, this would have never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erb View Post
    When banging on the door (especially for a noise complaint), THEY NEED TO ID THEMSELVES AS THE POLICE! Had they been professional, this would have never happened.
    How do you know they did not???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamaLiberty View Post
    Mjolnir, that's big city cop BS talk. This is a very small town, and there was no hint of any threat to the policeman. He had absolutely no justification for pointing a gun at anyone. Unfortunately, this has been made into a rather stupid emotional circus and I hope we can get rid of that aspect as soon as possible.
    If you were a LEO and had any training/background/understanding about what it's like to be a LEO you would have a better understanding about what even small town cops deal with & sometimes it's even worse being a small town cop when compared to a large city.

    So you tell me how the LEO's are to act when somebody comes out with a gun, leave them armed without knowing what kind of drugs they are on.

    Bang and you have a dead cop.

    Take a min to learn what use of force is and how LEO's apply it.

    You have a gun, am waving it around after I pound on your door and yell POLICE multiple times...I'm a LEO and it's 0100 you are lucky I did not prone you out on the yard till after finding out what was going on. I am going home at the end of my shift and will not end up in a body bag due to being afraid of hurting somebody's feelings.

    Any LEO worth a crap would disarm them & find out what's going on. It's small town paranoia and "freedom" that get's LEO's killed


    Quote Originally Posted by MamaLiberty View Post
    We need to build better relationships, bridges, community between all of us who live here. We don't need this Us against Them mentality. We are not the enemy of the police or anyone else. And we will do whatever we can to keep them from becoming our enemies. We ALL want to go home in one piece. Mistakes were made on both sides. We're going to make it our business to communicate and come together on this, if possible.
    Yes better bridges and trust are needed and yes I'm sure your going t make it your business to get into somebody's face over this when you really don't know what happened, but are all pissed off and emotional about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MamaLiberty View Post
    But that does not mean we will ever stand by meekly while our rights are violated.
    No rights were violated, no dogs were killed and everybody lived to whine and cry about it..

    You want to do something, learn what it's like and put your money where your mouth is...then go to Douglas, enroll in the academy, get your POST certificate and join the local police department...

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    Newcastle Police over stepping their authority

    I've dealt with my fair share of a-hole cop's, and sheriff's here in Riverton but I still have respect for them, working at nights for the casino and seeing some of the people and crap they have to put up with. Just because there are a few bad apples doesn't mean that the whole force is overstepping their authority.

    Going by reading the Examiner report and not actually having been there or hearing the LEO's side of the story I would have to agree with Mjolnir %100. I don't see that Officer Greg Locke did anything wrong. Maybe I missed something or the full story hasn't been released. From what I have read though this is the conclusion that I have came up with. I would have done the same If I were in his shoes. Not knowing the condition of the subject (high/drunk) and he comes around the corner with a pistol in his hands? I'm not just gonna stand there and say how do ya do.

    I'm not trying to make enemy's on this forum, so if you have a different opinion I can respect that Post it or keep it to yourself, I don't care. I think that for most of us the ultimate goal should be for us to do what we can to keep our freedom's and by practicing such freedom's such as right to bear arms or freedom of speech, so we keep them alive and well.

    "The bearing of arms is the essential medium through which the individual asserts both his social power and his participation in politics as a responsible moral being..."
    -- J.G.A. Pocock, describing the beliefs of the founders of the U.S.

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    Mjolnirjust comes on this forum to pick a fight.

    Mjolnir comes on this forum and just rants, no matter what I post maybe he is just a shill.

    On another note, it would be good to review the following link before tossing one of our own OCer's to the dogs.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Tea-Party-Run
    Last edited by AB; 07-06-2010 at 01:58 AM. Reason: added link

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    Answer this Mjolnir. Officer Locke knocks on the door of a residence. Why didnt he stay at the door to talk to the resident? That's what he was there to do was'nt it?

    IMHO, when someone knocks on a door and then moves out of sight of the door that qualifies as suspicious behavior. If a citizen had done so what would you think of that action then?

    I also wonder what would've happened had Mrs. Schlup not been present to witness the incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AB View Post
    Mjolnir comes on this forum and just rants, no matter what I post maybe he is just a shill.

    On another note, it would be good to review the following link before tossing one of our own OCer's to the dogs.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Tea-Party-Run
    Why do you not answer the questions, but instead point a finger and then run away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck View Post
    Answer this Mjolnir. Officer Locke knocks on the door of a residence. Why didnt he stay at the door to talk to the resident? That's what he was there to do was'nt it?

    IMHO, when someone knocks on a door and then moves out of sight of the door that qualifies as suspicious behavior. If a citizen had done so what would you think of that action then?

    I also wonder what would've happened had Mrs. Schlup not been present to witness the incident.
    So you are taking the word of a "reporter" who is playing with your emotions and refusing to answer questions on what happened.

    How do you know what happened, weer you there, or did you talk to somebody who was there as AB's article sure does not say what happened all it does is play on your emotions and get's you all upset at "the man"

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    Great minds think alike

    Huck, it sounds like we're looking at this in a similar fashion. This is how I commented in the Examiner:

    "Like everyone else, except for those with secret knowledge, I have to go by the text of the newspaper article. If the investigating officer did indeed knock on the door, at any volume, and then disappear from sight, he's behaving like a ghetto thug, not a policeman. Tactics like that are characteristic of home invasions.

    Were that to happen at my house, I would treat it as exactly that, a prelude to home invasion, with a call to 911 and preparation to fire magnum rifle rounds through the door if attempts were made to batter it down.

    Glen Beck, and others, say that violence is not the answer, meaning that we should not start things because things will certainly go in unintended directions. I agree. What Beck doesn't talk about is the government starting violence.

    Don't misunderstand me. What happened in Newcastle is small peanuts. It should be investigated and dealt with accordingly, so that these things don't become large peanuts.

    MD "

    All we have to go on is the article. Most of the people in OCDO that I've met would recognize this fact and would modify their opinions when a sensible reason comes along to do so. Some posters seem to be taking it as an article of faith that the police could not possibly be guilty of such behavior. It appears to happen with alarming frequency elsewhere in the country; why not Wyoming?

    MD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Why do you not answer the questions, but instead point a finger and then run away.
    I didn't know I had any obligation to lick your boots...you have no reason to discredit the victim in the report, the police will do their best to do that.

    Obviously you aren't here to further the cause, you must have some other agenda. What ever this agenda may be, I hope you find happiness with it.

    As far as myself, I will continue to work for gains in the state of Wyoming, since I can point to evidence of such gains, I hardly think you have any credibility while slamming me or my work.

    If you continue to do so, myself and others on the forum can only assume you work for the enemies of liberty.

    Unlike you, my battles are fought with legitimacy and exposed with my true agenda and identity.

    Anthony Bouchard
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    The really sad thing is to see any hint that our peace officers are starting to become "cops."

    Mjolnir, your "only one" attitude is a prime example of the "cops." You seem to feel that your life and safety is all that matters and that everyone else is automatically a criminal and a threat.

    If you are so afraid of us mundanes, I would suggest that you look into a different line of work. You might consider truck or taxi driving, or perhaps convenience store clerk. Oh wait... those are all jobs statistically proven to be FAR more dangerous than any sort of police work. And much more poorly paid.

    You might actually look into what it takes to become a true Peace Officer. But you'd have to lose the attitude.
    I will not knowingly initiate force. I am a self owner.

    Let the record show that I did not consent to be governed. I did not consent to any constitution. I did not consent to any president. I did not consent to any law except the natural law of "mala en se." I did not consent to the police. Nor any tax. Nor any prohibition of anything. Nor any regulation or licensing of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AB View Post
    I didn't know I had any obligation to lick your boots...you have no reason to discredit the victim in the report, the police will do their best to do that.

    Obviously you aren't here to further the cause, you must have some other agenda. What ever this agenda may be, I hope you find happiness with it.

    As far as myself, I will continue to work for gains in the state of Wyoming, since I can point to evidence of such gains, I hardly think you have any credibility while slamming me or my work.

    If you continue to do so, myself and others on the forum can only assume you work for the enemies of liberty.

    Unlike you, my battles are fought with legitimacy and exposed with my true agenda and identity.

    Anthony Bouchard
    Yep, attack the poster and not the message, one must always discredit the person when one can not argue/debate the logic and points the other person is addressing.

    So feel free to attack me instead of addressing the issues we both know all it does is discredits you and what you put in print.


    Oh and AB

    How does the article on page 3 of today's Cheyenne newspaper "work for gains in the state of Wyoming"

    In the article AB is quoted as saying something to the effect that taxes should not be collected or paid on firearms due to the 2nd amendment and that nobody should pay sales tax at a gun show.

    That article made all gun owners look extremely bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamaLiberty View Post
    The really sad thing is to see any hint that our peace officers are starting to become "cops."

    Mjolnir, your "only one" attitude is a prime example of the "cops." You seem to feel that your life and safety is all that matters and that everyone else is automatically a criminal and a threat.

    If you are so afraid of us mundanes, I would suggest that you look into a different line of work. You might consider truck or taxi driving, or perhaps convenience store clerk. Oh wait... those are all jobs statistically proven to be FAR more dangerous than any sort of police work. And much more poorly paid.

    You might actually look into what it takes to become a true Peace Officer. But you'd have to lose the attitude.
    My only one attitude is to take care of myself and my loved ones & by doing the right thing so not only do I live, my family lives and the dogs are not harmed by LEO's kicking down my door at 0100

    For the record I am not a LEO and never claimed to be one. How about you, why don't you go to Douglas and get your POST certification and learn about what you do not know but think you know or are you afraid of what you will learn.

    Who is "afraid" of "us mundanes" nothing to be afraid of but some people are more like truthers and 911 conspiracy freaks than productive members of society.

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