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    U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Milwaukee) Congresswoman demands tougher gun regulations.

    http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/wat.../97747109.html
    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Congresswoman demands tougher gun regulations, Moore upset at ignored watchdog efforts
    Quote Originally Posted by John Diedrich of the Journal Sentinel, 3 July 2010
    A Wisconsin congresswoman is demanding federal watchdogs get tougher on gun stores that sell a high number of guns used in crimes, citing a dealer in West Milwaukee that has sold firearms used to shoot six police officers in Milwaukee in less than two years.

    U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Milwaukee) asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to explain why a recommendation to revoke the license of Badger Outdoors in West Milwaukee was never pursued - as reported by the Journal Sentinel earlier this year.

    In a letter responding to Moore, the ATF said it "diligently reviewed" the findings of the Journal Sentinel article, but said its hands are partially tied by Congress when it comes to examining hidden gun store ownership.

    Federal law allows ATF only to investigate the person applying for a gun license, but not the people who may be secretly behind the operation. That is different from other licenses, such as alcohol wholesalers, where the same agency can delve deeply into secret owners by combing business records.

    "Quite often proof of hidden ownership can be found in business records that are not the type of records ATF has authority to demand access to under its compliance inspection authority," W. Larry Ford, assistant director of the ATF's public and governmental affairs, wrote in a letter to Moore, who recently released the letter to the newspaper.

    At Badger Outdoors, the newspaper reported federal records show the license recommended for revocation was relinquished voluntarily, the players inside the operation took on new roles and a new license was issued to the son of a previous owner, creating what an ATF official called a "clean slate." The store remains open, operating as Badger Guns.

    In his response to Moore, Ford also noted the ATF has just 590 investigators to inspect 116,613 gun license holders nationwide. There are 10 people to inspect 2,726 license holders in Wisconsin. ATF inspects about one in 10 license holders a year, he said.

    Moore said the ATF needs more staff and regulatory authority.

    "They are overworked, understaffed and don't have proper authority," she said. "It is important to revamp their authority, their investigative powers, their ability to intervene earlier. And they need subpoena power."

    Moore recently sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder asking if the ATF is using a regulatory tool added to its arsenal 10 years ago, the "demand letter." The letters allow the agency to target potentially law-breaking gun dealers by requiring them to file additional paperwork.

    "We are tying to bring attention to the attorney general about additional tools that they have at their disposal," Moore said.

    The ATF started issuing "demand letters" in February 2000. They were sent to dealers that didn't cooperate in tracing crime guns or have been found to sell a high number of crime guns.

    The letters require gun dealers to send ATF sales records that stores do not typically have to submit. But use of ATF demand letters later dropped off sharply, according to a 2004 Department of Justice audit that was highly critical of the ATF's regulation of gun stores.

    Moore asked Holder if ATF is still sending the letters and if so how many were issued in the past five years.

    A Department of Justice official said Moore's letter was being reviewed and declined further comment.

    Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a coalition of 500 city leaders around the country, called on Congress and the president in January to make a series of gun control reforms. They include ensuring ATF is using its demand letter authority. The group also suggests expanding the demand letter program by sending them to stores that often sell to straw buyers - people with clean records who buy for felons.

    "It's a targeted law enforcement tool that allows ATF to keep better tabs on dealers that may be problematic, without burdening the vast majority of gun dealers," said Arkadi Gerney, special adviser to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a leader in the mayor's group.

    Andrew Molchan, director of the Professional Gun Retailers Association, said the ATF was overzealous in its use of demand letters in the late months of the Clinton administration, targeting stores just because they were near high-crime areas.

    Used properly, Molchan said the letters could be effective.

    "The concept is solid, as long as it is not abused," he said. "There are bad gun dealers, not many, but there are gun dealers who are basically crooks &ensp.&ensp.&ensp.&enspATF has a right to look at these things and if they think there are problems, they have both a right and duty to track it down."
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    In Milwaukee, officials have looked closely at Badger Guns and its predecessor Badger Outdoors, which sold the guns used to wound six of seven officers shot in the past two years. The AK-47 used to wound a Milwaukee police officer recently appears to have been sold by a different dealer, officials said.

    Milwaukee police launched an ongoing undercover investigation that revealed felons regularly frequent Badger Guns and use the range. Officers have continued to stop felons leaving the store in recent months and found that felons were taking target practice on the store's range.

    Badger Guns and Badger Outdoors have been the top sellers of crime guns recovered by Milwaukee police for at least the past decade, according to records obtained by the Journal Sentinel.

    Badger Outdoors was the top seller of crime guns not just in Milwaukee but the nation in 2005 with 537 such guns, according to ATF records.

    The newspaper also reported that even when the ATF revokes a gun dealer's license, it can take years to close the operation because of special appeal rights granted by Congress to gun dealers.

    The agency revoked the license of Shawano Gun and Loan in 2007, but the case is tied up in federal court where an appeal could grind on for years. The Shawano store continues to sell guns - thousands of them each year - with the ATF's blessing.

    Congress has also passed a law that hides information from the public about guns used in crimes and the stores that sell them. President Barack Obama promised to get rid of the law. Instead, he embraced most of the law and added even more rules that could make it harder for law enforcement to crack down on dealers and stores selling guns to criminals.

    Moore said, in reference to the case of the Shawano store, Badger Outdoors and Badger Guns highlight the need for Congress to act, but she said any changes will be difficult given the sharp lines around the gun issue.

    "There is a real small pool of actors that are selling crime guns," she said. "I think we have to build the political will ...  We need to have to thread the needle here. We may have to do this piecemeal."

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    Or we can get rid of the ATF and allow honest, hard working Americans the right to self defense, no matter where they may be!

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    Moore sounds like a raving crack pot. This woman needs to be voted out for sure. She is a control freak.

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    Gotta get outta milwaukee Cty

    Dam I cannot believe this lady represents me....... I gotta get the hell out of this crazy county. She's an idiot, oh I read a an article in the journal sentinal now i'll suggest congressional action....... I can only hope we get every gun loving person in the I believe 4th district right? To vote her out of office, I've been spreading the word, I might just start a facebook group as well if there isn't one already up......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJA View Post
    Dam I cannot believe this lady represents me....... I gotta get the hell out of this crazy county. She's an idiot, oh I read a an article in the journal sentinal now i'll suggest congressional action....... I can only hope we get every gun loving person in the I believe 4th district right? To vote her out of office, I've been spreading the word, I might just start a facebook group as well if there isn't one already up......
    Dan Sebring is running against Gwen Moron.

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    Awesome theres actually a challenger this time, not like back in 2008 if I'm not mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Dan Sebring is running against Gwen Moron.
    I like one of his posts on Facebook. He had mentioned that the burglar alarm went off at his shop in the middle of the night. Someone had asked him a question and he responded:

    @Kate. the alarm system was here when I bought the place. I live next door. The alarm system is monitored by Smith & Wesson & me!
    Sounds like he is at least more pro 2a then Ms Moore.

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    Hmmmm, he must have bought his alarm system at the same place I bought mine.

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    so does that mean that Moore will also be calling for the government to crack down on these car dealers who sell the most "drunk driving cars"?
    "I have a long held belief that a man cannot have too many books, too many wines, or to much ammunition"

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Gleason View Post
    Hmmmm, he must have bought his alarm system at the same place I bought mine.
    Badger Gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Lovely. My choice is which rights do I want to see taken away.
    Both in the Moore / Sebring race & the Barrett / Neumann race, whoever wins will be working to take away some of my rights. So I get to decide which ones I'm OK with giving up.

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    There will always be a "top seller of crime guns" as there will always be a worst 1%

    There will always be a "top seller of crime guns" as there will always be a worst 1% of gun shops. When these exceptional shops are eliminated then the gun controllers will remeasure their victim population and find the next victims. United we stand, divided we fall and we hang separately.

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    she demands tougher gun laws; i demand criminals be punished. i demand a republican in her seat come november.

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    less of moore

    Quote Originally Posted by BJA View Post
    Dam I cannot believe this lady represents me....... I gotta get the hell out of this crazy county. She's an idiot, oh I read a an article in the journal sentinal now i'll suggest congressional action....... I can only hope we get every gun loving person in the I believe 4th district right? To vote her out of office, I've been spreading the word, I might just start a facebook group as well if there isn't one already up......
    hey, BJA. Cudahy here.. If there is anything I can do to Help, give a shout!! I've yet to see this Woman come South of Wisconsin Ave. I'm presntly on the Grave Yard Shift till Sept, then back on Days.

    I've just read the rest oe the replys, an I plan to pull up Dan Sebring web page..

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    maybe she should demand some unemployment compensation when she loses her job come november. bye bye demoncrat, don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!


    note; demoncrat is not a mis-spelling

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    Moore is a crackpot. She is representative of the kind of liberal waste we have in Congress. Someone (a constituent) should OC at her next rally!

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    ugh

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    VOTE HER #$$ out !!

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    Yech...

    I've given up on ever finding any common ground with the Democratic Party. No wonder our political sphere is in the shape it is; These people want to control your life!

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    Dan Sebring Militia- a military force composed of ordinary citizens to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. The Supreme ...Court recently decided that the right to keep and bear arms as it's stated in the 2nd amendment applies to the inidividual. I would think that means"citizenship" in and of itself qualifies the individual as a member of a "well regulated militia". It is therefore a right of the people that the government cannot regulate. In my opinion.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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