UOC 4th of July. Police contact. Me in cuffs.

ryanburbridge said:

Wow. I will be adding audio and pics. My family and I were at a park in Long Beach all day. I was UOCing my 1911 and full mag. Park Ranger makes contact draws his own gun on me puts me to the ground cuffs me and off to the car we go. Long story short I'll add more later. Long Beach Pd shows up and bails me out of trouble gets me out of ranger car gives back full mag and gun for me to holster and let's me go infront of a large cunfused crowd of sheeple. Sorry I'm on my phone I'll add more details later.

OK. I was at Heartwell park off of clark and carson in Long beach. I had been playing ball with the kids all day. There is a great fire works show across the street at Veterans stadium. lots of people hang out and barbecue during the day. Around 20:30 I see what looks like a cop approaching he tells me to come over to him. He grabs my arm and struggles to unholster his gun. At this point I say nothing and try to comply to every command. Hands down hands up get on your knees lay down it was very confusing. It turns out the park rangers and long beach police both responded to a man with gun call. First contact was with the park ranger who were clueless of my rights. Cuffed and taken to the street where i invoked my right to remain silent and i did. I told the rangers i did not consent to a search of my person or belongings. They took my wallet and got out my ID ran my ID and found out I am not a bad guy. even after that they re-cuffed me and put me in the ranger car while they tried to find a charge to take me in. A long beach pd came to the car and asked my name so he could run the serial number on my gun. He said the rangers were " idiots" ha classic. After an hour the rangers were told they could not charge me under penal code 12031. the LBPD got me out of the car and gave me my gun and ammo back for me to go about my business. This was not a good encounter but the rangers got schooled and I kept my gun on me in the end.
How do i upload audio?

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ConditionThree said:

Sorry to hear that you had such a negative encounter with law enforcement. It sounds like you handled it pretty well and followed some of the advice you have read here.

The park ranger used excessive force when he drew his weapon.

In spite of the comment from LBPD, they still demanded ID to run the serial number of your firearm without having probable cause that a crime had been commited. While it appears that LBPD was responsible for releasing you, they conducted a search of your property without an articulable crime.

You were detained for for considerably longer than it was necessary to inspect the firearm under 12031 (e).

All of these elements should be the subject of a complaint- but before you decide to file such complaint, I would recommend that you PRAR all the records of the incident so that you know all the actors involved.

While I realize we all like to read about and share our experiences, it would be better to not disclose too muich particularly if you plan on taking legal action against the authorities. (See Noobie Thread)

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CA_Libertarian said:

You may have a federal case, if you want to spend some money...

QI doesn't apply when the officer acts contrary to "settled law" - that is, law where the courts have clearly defined that the officer's actions violated a constitutionally protected right. (In this case 2A and 4A violations occurred.) Since we have solid case law at both the state and federal level, this park ranger is not covered by QI.

That's the good news. Now for the bad news.

Ask yourself: What are your damages? Were you physically injured during this arrest? Did they cause any damage to your property? Will your case be one of "punitive damages" only? (I'm guessing the latter would be answered in the affirmative.)

When I was "detained" by Turlock PD (almost 2 years ago now), I received minor injuries and my firearm was cosmetically damaged. When all was said and done I could claim about $200 in damages. No attorney would touch my case without cash up front. I was told that it's a crap shoot. Might walk out of court a millionaire, or might walk out owing the other side attorney fees to the tune of $100,000s.

Things have changed since McDonald, but I'm still gonna guess that you will need substantial damages (e.g. time spent in jail, big medical bills, etc) before an attorney will take your case on contingency.

Sadly I think yours is another case of "justice is for those who can afford to buy it."

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ryanburbridge said:

Well I do not have the money that it sounds like would be required. I do not plan on a lawsuit. Can I add more to the story? Would you like to hear some audio? It's about three hours of recording but if some one knows how I can upload parts I will. How about a meet up in a Long Beach Park to help the Park Rangers understand?

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pullnshoot25 said:

If illegal, it is probably an infraction.

These cops need to get a friggin clue.

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