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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010

    It is 8 days after SCOTUS has ruled on McDonald, and I have concluded the stand down that was requested by CalGuns leadership. As in the past, I will be memorializing my activities in brief anecdotes under an annual thread. You may notice that I include boring accounts where there is no police interaction; this is to offset the erroneous impression that only 'bad things' happen during open carry activities. My prior stories can be found in the links below.

    2007 http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...alifornia-2007
    2008 http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ia-Summer-2008
    2009 http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...alifornia-2009


    July 6th 2010

    About 8 weeks ago I had visited a walk-in clinic with symptoms of fatigue and lack of mental focus. Ordinarily, I would have let the symptoms pass, but this was about a week after a co-worker collapsed on the job and suffered a heart-attack. He was 47.

    Being diagnosed with 'mild' type two diabetes necessitates a change in diet and exercise or I will face being on medication for the rest of my life. With this in mind, I have been taking semi-regular evening walks in my neighborhood.

    I live in an unincorporated area in rural Shasta county. The street that I live on is a two lane road dotted with residences and has frequent traffic. I carried two 2 pound weights in my previous walks. This evening I carried a loaded Ruger P-89 in a Blackhawk Serpa carbon fiber holster, additional magazines in a pouch, a running Sony digital recorder, and no identification. My route this evening, took me past two or three dozen homes. I was passed by numerous vehicles and a Mom, Dad and son on bicycles. Only the Dad's eyes seemed to drop to my waistline as he passed. No apparent double-take. Nothing was said other than greetings. My two mile walk was uninterrupted and without confrontation.

    July 7th 2010

    Carried loaded and exposed on my walk after dinner. Took an alternate route through a development that was built at the height of the housing boom. The area has less traffic, but was hotter and more exposed than yesterday's route. Enjoyed the view of thunderclouds over Mount Lassen. A few cars and a bicyclist passed me. No double takes. No interaction at all.


    July 10th 2010

    On my walk this evening I took the tree-lined route as Redding temperatures topped 103. I carried loaded and exposed with digital recorder running. I saw a passenger do a double take as the truck they were riding in passed me. I extended my walk out to the bridge this time, making the total distance walked about 2.25 miles. On the return leg, a passing bicyclist made her presence known as she approached from behind on the opposite side of the road. There wasnt any other notable contact.
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    Good to see you back on the horse good sir. I used to love reading about the non-events on this forum, I look forward to reading more of your (and perhaps other people's) non-events.

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    Cool

    I am happy for your loaded status! Where are all the emoticons???

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    Its great to see good people standing up again.

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    I would have to drive an hour to Kern county to carry loaded "in town". Enjoy it for the both of us.
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010 - Continued

    July 11th 2010

    Took my evening walk carrying loaded and exposed. Walked to the bridge at a fairly brisk clip and on the way back a passing SUV drifted across the double yellow and reflectors. I'm not sure if it was because they were rubber-necking at my sidearm or if the sun was in their eyes. No interaction to report.

    July 13th 2010

    Set out for my lap to the bridge and back, carrying loaded and exposed. The first half-mile there was no activity at all, but rounding the bend I encountered a woman, a man, and two school-aged boys with fliers in hand. They approached me and told me that they were looking for their lost Pomeranian and handed me a flyer. I told them I would keep a lookout as I'm up and down this stretch all the time. The man affrimed that he had seen me several times. None acknowledged the holstered firearm. We went opposite directions. I continued toward the bridge and a motorist passed me going the same direction waving his hand out the window- I responded in kind. On the return leg I encountered the bicyclist that passed me on July 10th- she said 'Hello again', and moved on. I encountered a trio of bicyclist as well as the family looking for the lost dog. It seems that the family of bicyclists had found the dog and they were all returning home to reunite the dog to their owners.

    It is reassuring knowing that my neighbors have taken note and are not so averse to an armed person that they would refuse to interact or prefer to immediately call the police. Perhaps it is the community- or perhaps it is the fact that they understand a priority law enforcement response would likely take 20 to 30 minutes or more.
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    Thank you for sharing.

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    Glad to hear of you being out there again after the stand down.

    I would like to join you for a walk on your route sometime. It just feels good to be able to carry loaded and exposed.

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    Sorry to hear the pancreas is weakening. I've been under the same constraints since the 70's. You'll get used to it though. Kinda like all the rights you have lost.

    Enjoy your walks, and glad to see your still with us

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    It's great to read about your LOC activities. I cannot even UOC in my neighborhood because of the multiple school zone infringements on my liberties.

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010 - Continued

    July 19th 2010

    Solo UOC'd on foot into and out of incorporated Redding City limits tonight. I decided to walk to the nearest store which as it turns out is about as far away as my previous round trip walks- one way. Double checking Google maps, it appears I walked 5 miles in a circuit and it took about an hour and a half. Of the many cars (60-70+) that passed, only one passenger looked over their shoulder at me. Once I arrived at the store, I made my way to the cooler section and selected a bottled water. I placed my purchase and money on the counter. While the cashier did not acknowledge my state of being armed, a visual sweep of the aisle behind me revealed two teen girls and a male seemingly huddled together as if discussing something. I couldnt hear what they were saying and there was nothing to really indicate they were talking about me. I made my way home and arrived shortly before it got dark. There was no interaction with anyone other than the cashier.

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010 - Continued

    July 24th 2010

    I am roughly half-way to my goal of losing 50 pounds. The combination of watching what food I chose to put in my face and including some calorie burning activity in my lifestyle has proven effective. Tonight I walked while UOC to the nearest restaurant, which shall be unnamed as I do not wish to advertise to those who would like to triangulate my activities.

    Its not my favorite restaurant and I do have to pick through their menu in order to find healthy fare, but my alternative would be too far to walk to.

    As I walked up to the restaurant, there were two men in the parking lot chatting. I walked by without notice. A trio of adults with a toddler were walking up to the entrance immediately behind me, I opened the door for them and allowed them ahead of me. They thanked me for holding the door. No suspicious looks or commentary about my firearm. It was pretty much seat yourself service- the waitress handed me a menu and I took a table sitting strong side to the window/wall. I ate my meal, paid my tab and walked home. Traffic was light on the way back. No interaction to report.


    July 25th 2010

    I must be doing something wrong; because all the things that anti-gunners and Zumboites say about those who open carry, don't seem to apply to me. For instance, anti-gunners and Zumboites assert that those who carry firearms openly are doing it for egotistical reasons, or are compensating for some genital deficiency.

    The odd thing is, that even while shopping for groceries in the Anderson Walmart Supercenter, there were no overt reactions to my openly displayed hardware. I walked in, collected a shopping cart and circled the interior of the store passing the greeter (who failed to wish me a hearty welcome), passing the check out stands where cashiers were awaiting customers to check out, and dozens of shoppers and a man named Tim, who I am certain was the store manager. I gathered my groceries, took them to the check out stand, paid for my purchase and left.

    All during this exersize, I made a special effort to not only be discrete, but also be aware of my surroundings and any negative attention. The attention for which I allegedly go whoring for, was not observed. The fact is, few people present 'see' the firearm secured in my holster even when they are standing next to me. It's possible that they could engage me in conversation without being aware of it. And in most cases, those who do 'see' it and are aware of my armed state, mind their own business. (Call into APD confirms that there were no reports of a man with a gun today.) I believe it is only a very small but very vocal minority that has any problem with people being openly armed; Lori Saldana, LCAV, and the Brady Campaign are not representative of the majority of Californians and should not rule as such.
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    Keep it up!

    All that walking you're doing is not just going to change your health

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    You will soon be so healthy that you will die from absolutley nothing.
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010 - Continued

    July 26th 2010

    I had a small lapse in situational awareness. After cleaning the Ruger yesterday, I wasn't very thorough in testing functionality, and before loading up to go on my walk this evening, I had to spend a few moments to correct the problem. When I pulled back the slide, something was not allowing it to fully travel; so when the slide was retracted, it wouldnt go back far enough to collect a round from the magazine and properly chamber it.

    Having correctly reassembled my firearm, I set out for my usual goal- to the bridge and back. During the walk, I had only one interaction- Greeting a man in his yard from across his fence. He had two pugs who were very excited about a stranger passing by. Traffic was moderate, no noticable looks.

    July 27th 2010

    Carried loaded and exposed. Digital recorder running. Walked my 2 mile circuit to the bridge and back. Two dozen cars passed me. No one offered to give me a ride. (I wonder why?) No interaction, no encounters.


    July 28th 2010

    Carried loaded and exposed. Digital recorder running. Walked my usual circuit. More than thirty cars passed me on the roadside. In passing one home a barking dog summoned its owner. The lady of the house called her Golden Retriever back. His name? "Ruger"...

    Since I began carrying on my ritual walks, I have clocked in around 25 miles with a pistol strapped to my hip. I will also point out, that I have seen zero law enforcement on patrol in this area, let alone the kind that would be responding to any MWAG call.

    July 29th 2010

    Carried loaded and exposed. This marks the sixth consecutive day of open carry activity. No interaction. Traffic was consistant with prior experiences. Where is this alleged undue burden on police resources? If one of my neighbors were going to call 911 on me, they certainly would have already done so. All they had to do is see me plodding by and dial.
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    I like this. It's nice to hear absolutely nothing bad going on. Do you save all of your audio? I have a little over 40 recordings of every day UOC. Now that I am recording myself most of the time. I find myself being more aware of what and how I say things. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanburbridge View Post
    I like this. It's nice to hear absolutely nothing bad going on. Do you save all of your audio? I have a little over 40 recordings of every day UOC. Now that I am recording myself most of the time. I find myself being more aware of what and how I say things. Keep up the good work.
    While I have undeleted recordings from prior non-events, I am not making a point of saving them. The only audio that really needs to be archived is with police encounters or other interaction. I too am aware of what comes out of my mouth and discovered that I have a habit of occasional soliloquy-particularly while driving.

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    Reading this thread makes me really want to start having daily walks around my rural "neighborhood." Though, I could probably walk a 2-mile circuit and only pass 8 houses (half of which you can barely see from the street.

    But probably no LOC due to county ordinance (distance from dwellings).

    ETA: just measured it on Google; not including walking to the street up my driveway, around the rural "block" is exactly 2 miles. I would pass exactly eighteen homes and two commercial building. Despite being rural, this area has high traffic, and is commonly known for gang-related activity (graffiti, stolen cars burned in orchards (after being stripped, of course), meth manufacturing byproducts dumped on the side of the road, etc).
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    But probably no LOC due to county ordinance (distance from dwellings).


    i thought that only had to do with restriction of shooting?
    not the legally of LOC v. UOC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    But probably no LOC due to county ordinance (distance from dwellings).


    i thought that only had to do with restriction of shooting?
    not the legally of LOC v. UOC.
    In CA we can't LOC where we can't legally discharge a firearm. So lame.

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010 - Continued

    July 30th 2010

    This is the seventh consecutive day of open carry activity. I stepped out this time, loaded open carry with gloves and a trashbag, along with my active digital audio recorder. I took it upon myself to pick up some of the roadside litter. This added activity paired with the late start meant that I couldnt go all the way out to my typical landmark. I went about three quarters of the way, filling my 33 gallon plastic trash bag with paper, cans, plastic cups, bottles, cigarette boxes, compact discs and other refuse. This was a surprising workout- stooping to pick up litter and placing it into a gradually heavier sack... I had to forgo picking up more trash about a half mile from my goal as it was bulging to capacity and weighed about 25 pounds. Traffic seemed moderate. No interaction to report.
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2010 - Continued

    August 1, 2010

    Anderson, California

    I drove to the Anderson Market Place and parked in the center of the parking lot between the Walmart Supercenter and the cluster of smaller buinesses. I walked to Panda Express passing a cluster of people in front of the sandwich shop. I stepped into line, ordered and paid for my lunch. I sat near the window so I could observe police rolling up code three. I patiently waited, and despite the assurances that I would be the focus of wasted police resources, none came.

    I placed the remains of my lunch in the garbage and walked back towards Walmart. As I was collecting a cart from the cart corral, I was approached by a woman in her early twenties. She explained that she was from out of the area and that she needed $30 for a tire- she had been driving with a 'doughnut' and wanted to replace it. I explained to her that I would like to help, but I do not give cash to strangers. She thanked me for my time and made no mention of the firearm.

    I guided the cart into Walmart, which was crowded and began circulating the aisles for my goods. I went to the electronics department and recieved help from a store employee in finding a surge protector for my A/V gear and a battery backup for my computer. I then filled my cart with groceries. When I got to the produce department, a man in passing asked what kind of weapon I had. I informed him it is a Ruger P-89. He mumbled something and moved on. This was the only mention of my firearm during my shopping trip.

    While I was in the checkout line, a cluster of 4 or 5 people were walking at the front of the store towards the exit. One of the women was intermittantly making loud bird noises, creating a disturbance that has attracted the attention of one of the floor supervisors. She was on the radio while she placed the 'Line Closed' placard on the conveyor behind my goods. Seems the supervisor was more concerned with the featherless tattooed parrot, than the lone gunman standing two feet from her.

    I walked into the Tri-Counties bank and up to the teller window, presented $25 and requested a roll of golden dollars. The teller made the exchange and I thanked her. To be honest, I had no particular need to make change, other than to pad my anecdote. No robbery took place- no shoot out with authorities, in spite of those that believe the handgun in plain view would instigate such a response.

    After two hours of milling about in public with an exposed firearm, there was no police interaction.
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    You might look a little too much like an LEO to get any real scrutiny. You mentioned gaining a few pounds, (often a characterisitc associated with donut eating cops), probably still short hair, conservative dress, strongly caucasion looking, and boldly exposed firearm with no accompanying guilt look. Hell, I'm more surprised that someone hasn't contacted you during one those outings screaming, "officer! Arrest that man!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AyatollahGondola View Post
    You might look a little too much like an LEO to get any real scrutiny. You mentioned gaining a few pounds, (often a characterisitc associated with donut eating cops), probably still short hair, conservative dress, strongly caucasian [IFIFY] looking, and boldly exposed firearm with no accompanying guilt look. Hell, I'm more surprised that someone hasn't contacted you during one those outings screaming, "officer! Arrest that man!"
    While your generalization of law enforcement appearances being white, pudgey fellows with short haircuts might explain the absense of multiple calls of MWAG, you (and probably others) are overlooking a few key hints that I am not a peace officer.

    My attire is casual- today it's shorts and a t-shirt, not the 'business casual' you would see of an investigator.
    I have no shield or star displayed.
    My facial hair is not 'regulation'.
    While it is not illegal for peace officers to carry openly off-duty, most departments would require them to conceal.
    My carry gear is a mixed bag- some of it is worn and some of it is new and it is not accompanied with handcuffs.

    I would however, agree that those who carry themselves as if they have the authority are generally accepted as if they possess that authority. This is something that new open carriers should be cautioned on; as carrying as if you are conducting a social experiment, acting flinchy, nervous, or in a manner that would lead others to believe you were doing something that you shouldnt, will almost always attract undesired attention.
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    I also carry daily, down here in Oakley and the Delta.

    While I can not LOC, and C3 does, in most cases due to incpr. In over two yrs of daily carry, I have only been "E"checked once, outside of a major event pre-check. Most LEO's just pass on by and never give me a second look.
    I dress in Levis and polo'd mainly and am most of the time clean shaven.
    Last week a small group of us(4) were E-checked here in town. We had gone out to dinner and after we were done, stood around on the parking lot corner talking for about an hour. We entered the res before 6, and around 8:30 a few officers drove up. We seen them coming and know the drill. Everyone envoled, both us and the LEO's were professional. We were all joking about the E-checks after being there for over 2 hrs.

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