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    NRA starting to recognize OC?

    i know it's not much but as i was perusing the latest NRA Store catalog i noticed that they now tout their Travelers Guide to Firearm Laws as having info on "applicable open and concealed carry...."

    http://www.nrastore.com/nra/Product....tid=PB%2001566

    like i said, it's not much but it's a start. i thought i saw another reference in print to OC by the NRA in one of their rags. if i find it again i'll point it out.
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    "NRA starting to recognize OC?" Yeah, as a threat to the NRA business model!

    "NRA starting to recognize OC?" Yeah, as a threat to the NRA business model!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    "NRA starting to recognize OC?" Yeah, as a threat to the NRA business model!
    They will never, ever support open carry, it go against everything they practice. They are not going to put their name out like that to support us and they will compromise. They will state that yes it is legal in many states. Yet they will say they DO NOT advise their members to open carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    They will never, ever support open carry, it go against everything they practice. They are not going to put their name out like that to support us and they will compromise. They will state that yes it is legal in many states. Yet they will say they DO NOT advise their members to open carry.
    i guess i do not take advice very well.

    i was just surprised to see those words in an NRA product description.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    "NRA starting to recognize OC?" Yeah, as a threat to the NRA business model!
    The NRA manipulates politicians, whereas open carry can alter public opinions, leading to a more massive push for pro gun politicians without the aid of the NRA. It is indeed a threat to their business model, although if they were actually in solid favor of gun rights they'd have been sending open carriers legal council when they got falsely prosecuted, as well as publishing tons of articles about the importance of openly carrying, and using their lobbying might to reverse the Jim Crow anti open carry laws found in the south. It is yet another reason why I have never joined the NRA, and don't intend to do so any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    They will never, ever support open carry, it go against everything they practice. They are not going to put their name out like that to support us and they will compromise. They will state that yes it is legal in many states. Yet they will say they DO NOT advise their members to open carry.
    Really? Do they actually say this, or do you just believe "they will say this?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    "NRA starting to recognize OC?" Yeah, as a threat to the NRA business model!
    You are right Doug. NRA is at the core of the concealed carry instruction industry (C2I2) and OC threatens their revenue stream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    You are right Doug. NRA is at the core of the concealed carry instruction industry (C2I2) and OC threatens their revenue stream.

    NRA KISS MY @$$
    What "revenue stream" do you allege is threatened by OC?

    Makes you wonder why they support open carry, eh? If it threatens a revenue stream, why do they show this on their website.....

    Thursday, March 11, 2010
    On Tuesday, March 9, during a City Council work session, City attorney Kyle Smith and Police Chief Ron Miller proposed banning the open carrying of firearms in Topeka. In 2007, the city council repealed its ban on the open carry of firearms, so it’s unclear why these officials have now proposed reinstituting such an ordinance. Since then, there have been no instances of unlawfulness or violence regarding open carry. The claims and "what ifs" stated by the opponents are unfounded and not supported by any research or facts. They are simply using scare tactics to push more stringent gun restrictions on the citizens of Topeka.
    Please contact your City Council member and urge him or her not to consider this anti-gun proposal.

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Re...?id=5560&issue
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    They'll probably support it as long as we all need training.
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    Whenever I visit the NRA HQ range or museum in Fairfax VA, I make sure to very conspicuously OC.

    And I let them know how much I love the fact that VA is an OC state, and how much I enjoy OCing there, just like I can at home in NC. And I also let them know how much I hate the fact that MD doesn't trust law-abiding citizens to carry at all.

    And I make sure to say all those things when there are lots of other people in the lobby.

    And I make sure to have a few dozen "VA Gun Rights" brochures in my range bag to hand out to the locals.

    The NRA staffers may not like it, but they never say anything to the contrary. I guess as long as I am spending my money on their range, they'll be polite.

    The more we (the OC community) let the NRA know how we feel, and how it would be a good thing if they would "get with the program", the more likely they are to step up. When they realize we represent a significant portion of active gun-rights voices, they might be a little more supportive to the cause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Whenever I visit the NRA HQ range or museum in Fairfax VA, I make sure to very conspicuously OC.

    And I let them know how much I love the fact that VA is an OC state, and how much I enjoy OCing there, just like I can at home in NC. And I also let them know how much I hate the fact that MD doesn't trust law-abiding citizens to carry at all.

    And I make sure to say all those things when there are lots of other people in the lobby.

    And I make sure to have a few dozen "VA Gun Rights" brochures in my range bag to hand out to the locals.

    The NRA staffers may not like it, but they never say anything to the contrary. I guess as long as I am spending my money on their range, they'll be polite.

    The more we (the OC community) let the NRA know how we feel, and how it would be a good thing if they would "get with the program", the more likely they are to step up. When they realize we represent a significant portion of active gun-rights voices, they might be a little more supportive to the cause...
    When I went to the NRA range I was a disappointed to note that nobody but myself and the girl behind the counter who took my money was OCing. (among a crowded lobby and full range) The rest of the staff was presumably CCing, and I know at least 2 of the instructors were CCing.

    I'll probably only visit once more.
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    When the NRA actively and aggressively promotes OC, then I will return the favor by supporting the NRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    When the NRA actively and aggressively promotes OC, then I will return the favor by supporting the NRA.
    The more NRA members who actively and aggressively tell the NRA that they desire them to actively and aggressively promote OC, the more likely the NRA will be to do so.
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    True. I have, and will let them know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Really? Do they actually say this, or do you just believe "they will say this?"
    I don't believe I have ever heard NRA make an explicit statement opposed.

    However, Zack991's comment lines up well with I know.

    1. NRA is heavily supportive of CC instructors.

    2. It is an article of faith among many CCers that you never, ever let your gun show in public. Element of surprise, and don't scare the soccer moms, and don't get police calls against yourself.

    3. Police opposition to OC is so common as to be almost axiomatic.

    4. NRA is seems heavily supportive of police or connected to police. It seems like I've seen a number of NRA publications or releases with some reference to training cop instructors, or making some community service activity in connection with police. It is almost as if the NRA puts police on a pedestal. Or, capitalizes on public affections for police. (Unless the police are confiscating guns after a hurricane.)

    Also, you should have seen the fuss a couple years ago when they sent out an NRA-ILA alert about CC in alcohol-serving restaurants. They basically said carry was a no-no in such places, or something that omitted the perfect legality of OC in such businesses. When VA OCers pointed out the error, their response was that it was not an OC issue. Huh? How about just an issue of getting things right. Eventually they changed the e-mail alert.

    In any event, I don't see NRA being openly supportive of OC anytime soon unless the political winds of the gun world make it beneficial to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I don't believe I have ever heard NRA make an explicit statement opposed.

    However, Zack991's comment lines up well with I know.

    1. NRA is heavily supportive of CC instructors.
    NRA is heavily supportive of instructors.

    2. It is an article of faith among many CCers that you never, ever let your gun show in public. Element of surprise, and don't scare the soccer moms, and don't get police calls against yourself.
    It is not an 'article of faith' among all CCers. Claims that a permitholder may NOT OC is a fallacy that many CC instructors seem to try to perpetuate.

    3. Police opposition to OC is so common as to be almost axiomatic.
    That typically depends upon locale.
    4. NRA is seems heavily supportive of police or connected to police. It seems like I've seen a number of NRA publications or releases with some reference to training cop instructors, or making some community service activity in connection with police. It is almost as if the NRA puts police on a pedestal. Or, capitalizes on public affections for police. (Unless the police are confiscating guns after a hurricane.)

    Also, you should have seen the fuss a couple years ago when they sent out an NRA-ILA alert about CC in alcohol-serving restaurants. They basically said carry was a no-no in such places, or something that omitted the perfect legality of OC in such businesses. When VA OCers pointed out the error, their response was that it was not an OC issue. Huh? How about just an issue of getting things right. Eventually they changed the e-mail alert.

    In any event, I don't see NRA being openly supportive of OC anytime soon unless the political winds of the gun world make it beneficial to them.
    They have already been openly supportive of OC, as in the Topeka KS example.
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    It's about time they started supporting open carry. After all, they've been openly carrying their rifles for how many decades, now?
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    It seems that there is a lot of animosity against the NRA on this and other OC forums when compared to other boards I frequent.

    I remember Ted Nugent saying that the NRA was the "Biggest Fist In the Fight" for gun rights. While many of the anti-NRA voices will never admit it, the landscape of our nation would probably be more akin to Australia and the UK if they were not doing what they do. Probably sooner in fact.

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    Maybe the NRA is the biggest fist, but the OCers are the tip of the spear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    When the NRA actively and aggressively promotes OC, then I will return the favor by supporting the NRA.
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    The ONLY time the NRA contacts me is when they want more of my $$$ ! Either by phone or by mail, there is always a national emergency that needs more of MY $$$ !?! Yet I see little to No OC support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Expert View Post
    It seems that there is a lot of animosity against the NRA on this and other OC forums when compared to other boards I frequent.

    I remember Ted Nugent saying that the NRA was the "Biggest Fist In the Fight" for gun rights. While many of the anti-NRA voices will never admit it, the landscape of our nation would probably be more akin to Australia and the UK if they were not doing what they do. Probably sooner in fact.
    The NRA is the biggest fist in the Perks for Permittees movement.

    The big gun in the Gun Rights Movement is the SAF and their lawyer Alan Gura.

    If you think I am wrong, imagine where we would be without Heller and MacDonald, and soon Parker v. DC (RIght to bear arms).

    The NRA is so wrapped up in the preservation of their political power and their cash flow that they seem to fit the very definition of a self licking ice cream cone!

    If they wanted to be serious about RKBA as a civil right, they would work toward 50 state constitutional carry. But no, they work at a different level
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    i see a recurring theme, not just here but on all of the other gun boards i frequent.

    "i won't support the NRA because....."

    is the NRA perfect? no. are you? your wife/husband/sig? your best friend? the people you helped elect to office?

    nobody is perfect but we support them nonetheless. when they do something we don't like we tell them about it. we also suggest that they do things we wish they would.

    being a single issue person makes one narrow minded. say for instance that your best friend for the last 30yrs decided to be a Chevy (CC) proponent instead of a Ford (OC) lover? would you then not support your friend in anything else and alienate them? or if your favorite eatery stopped serving your favorite dish? would you stop going there or would you continue to go there (support them) because of your overall good experiences there?

    pretty silly examples, eh? but i believe that they illustrate my point in the fact that we must all consider that things are not always going to go the way that we would like them to. there is a bigger picture than just ourselves and we can't make everyone else adhere to the way we think or what we want. to believe anything else is pretty damned selfish.

    then again, maybe i should go single issue with Steak-N-Shake. they have great burgers and shakes but their fries suck. i'll just stop going there. NOT!
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    How dare you try to put ford above Chevy?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    How dare you try to put ford above Chevy?!
    i am Chevy guy too. it's just how the sentence rambled.
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