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    I am new to this concept of the OC, I have always thought it was somehow against the law to carry a firearm into public places with you unless it was concealed and you with a permit in hand. I had always new in the back of my mind that we as Americans have the right to bare arms as stated in the constitution but I guess by my own ignorance believed that there were laws placed governing most citizens from carrying firearms. I am thinking very hard on starting to OC my 1911 that I have owned for many years but I guess I still am unsure what I should be aware of. Is there restrictions I should know about? Is there places you should just not carry? What do you do if your in a store and an employee approaches you and tells you that the gun is not permitted in the store? I have a friend of mine that is a manager of a Dept. store and she had informed me that it was against the law for a person to bring a gun into the store even if it were in a holster, I told here that it was our right as Americans to do so if we pleased and she kinda thought about it for a minute and said that she thought you needed a permit......thats when I told her that was for if it was being carried concealed. She had a puzzled look and just wasnt sure, I mean if a manager of one store is not aware of this, how many people are not also? I dont want to catch all kinds of Holy hell because of one persons ignorance, especially if I am the one in the wrong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickupman.45 View Post
    I am new to this concept of the OC, I have always thought it was somehow against the law to carry a firearm into public places with you unless it was concealed and you with a permit in hand. I had always new in the back of my mind that we as Americans have the right to bare arms as stated in the constitution but I guess by my own ignorance believed that there were laws placed governing most citizens from carrying firearms. I am thinking very hard on starting to OC my 1911 that I have owned for many years but I guess I still am unsure what I should be aware of. Is there restrictions I should know about? Is there places you should just not carry? What do you do if your in a store and an employee approaches you and tells you that the gun is not permitted in the store? I have a friend of mine that is a manager of a Dept. store and she had informed me that it was against the law for a person to bring a gun into the store even if it were in a holster, I told here that it was our right as Americans to do so if we pleased and she kinda thought about it for a minute and said that she thought you needed a permit......thats when I told her that was for if it was being carried concealed. She had a puzzled look and just wasnt sure, I mean if a manager of one store is not aware of this, how many people are not also? I dont want to catch all kinds of Holy hell because of one persons ignorance, especially if I am the one in the wrong!
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    From what i understand, if they dont want you in the store with a firearm they are to have pretty specific signage in a conspicuous place where you enter. I have also been told that If they ask you to leave that you must leave. I have thought about this myself alot, and in my mind have decided if it ever happens to me, i will ask alot of questions of the employee....First i would ask to see the manager. then i would ask the manager If this is a corporate policy or just this individual stores policy, or just the managers policy. then i would ask for a number I could call to reach the corporate headquarters. I would then go home and call and have a chat with the main office, or highest up individual possible. if that person confirms that this establishment does not welcome open carriers. i will no longer shop there.. I open carry pretty much everywhere I go, and have never been asked to leave yet.
    Michael Binegar, Morgantown WV.

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    I havent OC'd anywhere yet, I am still a little nervous about what others will think I guess. I have never been one that like to draw attention to myself but I also would like to see more people OC around this area so it more than likely be excepted by all those who do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickupman.45 View Post
    I havent OC'd anywhere yet, I am still a little nervous about what others will think I guess. I have never been one that like to draw attention to myself but I also would like to see more people OC around this area so it more than likely be excepted by all those who do not.
    well...the first step is just doing it. Dont be nevous, If you are familiar with your firearm and comfortable with its functions, you have nothing to be nervous about. Ill tell ya, to be honest most people arent even observant enough to notice you are carrying. Just remember that its your right, and it really doesnt matter what other people think about it. I do understand where your coming from though, it was a little weird at first, but it doesnt take long at all to get used to it...and If you really want to see more people OCing....it starts with you.. its just like anything new...youll get used to it. as long as your safe...you have nothing to be nervous about. carry on buddy!
    Michael Binegar, Morgantown WV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feeldasteel View Post
    well...the first step is just doing it. Dont be nevous, If you are familiar with your firearm and comfortable with its functions, you have nothing to be nervous about. Ill tell ya, to be honest most people arent even observant enough to notice you are carrying. Just remember that its your right, and it really doesnt matter what other people think about it. I do understand where your coming from though, it was a little weird at first, but it doesnt take long at all to get used to it...and If you really want to see more people OCing....it starts with you.. its just like anything new...youll get used to it. as long as your safe...you have nothing to be nervous about. carry on buddy!
    Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time for posting and helping me get a little more comfortable with OC'ing. I think what I will do is just start out here really local to where I live, I have a few country stores that I frequent allot and doubt that they will even pay any attention to what I am or not wearing (gun wise). I guess that I should have known it was OK to OC in public, about 3yrs ago I attended a gun show not far from home in the little town of ST.Marys. The gun show was down at the marina and you were encouraged to bring your firearms for all to see I guess. There was a local cop posted there and he looked like he was board to death, I never once saw him check to see if there was any firearms loaded, although there was a man posted at the door who collected your entry fee and made sure that your pistol was un-chambered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickupman.45 View Post
    Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time for posting and helping me get a little more comfortable with OC'ing. I think what I will do is just start out here really local to where I live, I have a few country stores that I frequent allot and doubt that they will even pay any attention to what I am or not wearing (gun wise). I guess that I should have known it was OK to OC in public, about 3yrs ago I attended a gun show not far from home in the little town of ST.Marys. The gun show was down at the marina and you were encouraged to bring your firearms for all to see I guess. There was a local cop posted there and he looked like he was board to death, I never once saw him check to see if there was any firearms loaded, although there was a man posted at the door who collected your entry fee and made sure that your pistol was un-chambered.
    Just got back from the grocery store...open carried....not a single comment, not a dirty look...nothing! ha ha ha.....not a thing to worry about.....
    Michael Binegar, Morgantown WV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickupman.45 View Post
    I havent OC'd anywhere yet, I am still a little nervous about what others will think...
    Don't worry too much about what people think, it turns out that they don't do it all that often. (-;

    I was worried too, and as far as I know, I was the first person in Morgantown to routinely open carry. I OC while I go to the bank, both BB&T and Centra, Kroger, and downtown. No problems. I started putting reviews on http://www.friendorfoe.us/ and it caused at least two other people to begin to OC in Morgantown, and now we've got 25+ reviews on that site.

    If you'd like, I'll come with you on your errands one day. Most people don't notice, and the only person who has ever asked me about it was very positive.

    You're not alone. Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPatrick View Post
    Don't worry too much about what people think, it turns out that they don't do it all that often. (-;

    I was worried too, and as far as I know, I was the first person in Morgantown to routinely open carry. I OC while I go to the bank, both BB&T and Centra, Kroger, and downtown. No problems. I started putting reviews on http://www.friendorfoe.us/ and it caused at least two other people to begin to OC in Morgantown, and now we've got 25+ reviews on that site.

    If you'd like, I'll come with you on your errands one day. Most people don't notice, and the only person who has ever asked me about it was very positive.

    You're not alone. Best of luck.

    In Liberty,
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    Be very cautious with carry in BB&T the local one here has a sign stating that it is corporate policy prohibiting firearms on the property. Double check with the branch manager and have them get it directly from higher headquarters, preferably in writing so that it can't come back on you, not necessarily from the bank but from other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickupman.45 View Post
    I am new to this concept of the OC, I have always thought it was somehow against the law to carry a firearm into public places with you unless it was concealed and you with a permit in hand. I had always new in the back of my mind that we as Americans have the right to bare arms as stated in the constitution but I guess by my own ignorance believed that there were laws placed governing most citizens from carrying firearms. I am thinking very hard on starting to OC my 1911 that I have owned for many years but I guess I still am unsure what I should be aware of. Is there restrictions I should know about? Is there places you should just not carry? What do you do if your in a store and an employee approaches you and tells you that the gun is not permitted in the store? I have a friend of mine that is a manager of a Dept. store and she had informed me that it was against the law for a person to bring a gun into the store even if it were in a holster, I told here that it was our right as Americans to do so if we pleased and she kinda thought about it for a minute and said that she thought you needed a permit......thats when I told her that was for if it was being carried concealed. She had a puzzled look and just wasnt sure, I mean if a manager of one store is not aware of this, how many people are not also? I dont want to catch all kinds of Holy hell because of one persons ignorance, especially if I am the one in the wrong!
    O.K.
    Just also wanted to see who else out there is local to me
    Thanks
    As it doesn't surprise me, your friend is ignorant of the laws. The state laws specifies according to:
    61-7-14. Right of certain persons to limit possession of firearms on premises.
    Notwithstanding the provisions of this article, any owner, lessee or other person charged with the care, custody and control of real property may prohibit the carrying openly or concealed of any firearm or deadly weapon on property under his or her domain: Provided, That for purposes of this section "person" means an individual or any entity which may acquire title to real property.

    Any person carrying or possessing a firearm or other deadly weapon on the property of another who refuses to temporarily relinquish possession of such firearm or other deadly weapon, upon being requested to do so, or to leave such premises, while in possession of such firearm or other deadly weapon, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or confined in the county jail not more than six months, or both: Provided, That the provisions of this section shall not apply to those persons set forth in subsections (3) through (6) of section six of this code while such persons are acting in an official capacity: Provided, however, That under no circumstances may any person possess or carry or cause the possession or carrying of any firearm or other deadly weapon on the premises of any primary or secondary educational facility in this state unless such person is a law-enforcement officer or he or she has the express written permission of the county school superintendent.

    I can find no law in the state statue requiring a sign to be posted upon a building that forbids firearms. So basically you could walk up to a store see no sign, walk in with your weapon in an open carry, and all it would take is for a manager or appropriate representative of the store telling you "sorry we don't allow firearms in the store.." then you have to leave, etc. etc. etc.
    I have heard some rumors of a a standard sign being required but as of yet those are still rumors. At least to the point of what I can find. I had a situation where I was approached by a store manager of a sporting goods store (that SELLS firearms no less) asking me if I was a cop and questioning me as to why I was open carrying my sidearm if I wasn't a copy (I'm not) and telling me that it wasn't legal. I politely informed the manager that yes it was legal under both the second amendment and the Wv Law. The manager walked away, aproximately 5 minutes later a second manager (different then the first) approached me and said that it was against store policy as well as Mall policy (you can figure out which sporting goods store this is on your own if you live in the Vienna area and know anything about the Grand Central Mall and the Sporting Goods store that is where the old Steve and Berry's used to be) for firearms to be on the premises. I of course took a look at the long rack of long guns on the wall then looked at the manager and told them they needed to 1. Research and train all employees on the Wv Law. 2. While not required by law, they should post a sign on the front door to avoid having to tell each and every person that walks in the store, "We don't allow firearms to be brought in etc etc etc..." because unless they did one of the two there was no way they were going to be able to enforce their policy (after all how would they know when somebody was carrying legally concealed in the store). I then informed the manager that until the policy was changed I would be taking my business elsewhere even at the cost of having to pay higher prices.
    Most stores in the Vienna / Parkersburg area haven't said a word to me when I open carry. So long as you aren't acting like an idiot I can't see most places having a problem with it. I did talk to another stores manager in the Vienna area (large chain that is commonly refereed to "Wally World") on the phone and after being put on hold for aprox 10 minutes (you know they were looking for an answer someplace in a policy binder) was told that they would "prefer" that I carry concealed while in the store.
    The best advice I can give to you is know the law, know it inside and out, forwards and backwards. 61-7-xxx is where you will find most of the info. http://www.legis.state.wv.us/WVCODE/Code.cfm is where you can go online to start reading. Be polite no matter how ignorant, the other individual is, if you are right and the law is on your side the most that somebody could do in a store is saw "please leave", simply ask to speak to a manager, have them tell you the same thing, then inform them that you will comply and you will not return to the store until the policy is changed. Loss of profits drives changes.

    As for places to NOT carry, of course any federal buildings, state buildings, schools or places where secondary education activities are taking place, etc. Or any places that specifically state no firearms allowed. There are several places around the area that have knowledgeable firearms instructors that are up on the do's and dont's feel free to contact me for a reference of one or two. That can offer you info or even put you through one of their classes, even if you don't conceal carry it's not a bad idea to take the class simply for the legal info they give.

    By the way I live in the Parkersburg area as well.
    Last edited by diensthunds; 08-17-2010 at 12:25 AM.

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