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    Clean Shoot?

    Man shot, killed outside emergency room
    Suspect nabbed a few blocks away
    Updated: Saturday, 10 Jul 2010, 9:28 AM EDT
    Published : Saturday, 10 Jul 2010, 6:50 AM EDT

    Newport News, Va. (WAVY) - Newport News police are investigating a deadly shooting that broke out in a hospital parking lot.

    Police say it happened late last night in the 3100 block of William Styron Square, next to Sentara Port Warwick. Officers say two men started arguing and one opened fire, shooting the other.

    Crews took the victim, 29-year-old Greg Arsenault of Hampton, to Riverside Regional Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead. Police tracked down the suspect a short time later in the nearby Harbours apartment complex and took him into custody.

    "There was some type of event going on at the restaurant that's across the street from this parking lot. There were many people around, so we're in the process of talking with as many as those persons as possible so we can get a handle on what happened," said Officer Harold Eley of the Newport News Police Department.

    According to the suspect, a 27-year-old Newport News man, Arsenault was the aggressor in a dispute that started in Kelly's Tavern and was seen to have a knife. The suspect also claimed that Arsenault had been kicked out of the restaurant by management for creating a disturbance according to a statement by police.

    Outside, witnesses interviewed by police said they observed Arsenault rapidly approaching the suspects car. The suspect then retrieved a handgun from his car and told Arsenault to stop. Arsenault continued to approach the car until the suspect fired several times, striking the victim, according to police reports.

    Several witnesses confirmed all or parts of the suspects account of the incident said police spokesman Harold Eley.

    Two knives were recovered from Arsenault at the hospital according to Eley.

    Police say the investigation is ongoing and the suspect has been released pending a review of the case by the Commonwealth's Attorney.

    Anyone with information that could help police is asked to call Crime Line at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.

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    I'm the bouncer at Kelly's Tavern in Hampton. Sounds like a clean shoot to me up until the time he left the scene. Wanna bet one or both of these characters have at least one or more felony convictions? Isn't it strange that the aggressor becomes the victim and the victim becomes the suspect in most, if not all news reports?

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    Not laying odds on that one...

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    Do you think they would have let the guy go if he had multiple felony convictions?

    Interesting to compare to the Gerald Ung case. Ung shoots in self-defense, sticks around and calls 911 himself but is arrested and charged with multiple crimes including attempted murder. Attacker is frat-boy, probably drunk, with big lawyer daddy. In that case, it was a simple matter of being outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1 or 2, but no knives.

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    It would have been perfectly clean if the shooter had been the first one to call 911, and had not fled the scene.

    Fleeing the scene and not reporting a self-defense shooting is probably going to be a thorn in his side when (not if) this one goes to trial...

    If you have to shoot, dial 911 as soon as the BG stops being a threat. The person who makes the first call in a SD situation is usually treated with much more respect by LE than someone who shoots and then bolts.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there is a LOT more to this story than the media is reporting. It will all eventually come out in court...

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    From the Daily Press web site (11:27pm):
    According to police, Arsenault allegedly approached the suspect as he was getting into his car parked in the Sentara Emergency Center's parking lot across from the restaurant. The suspect told police that he pulled a gun from his vehicle and told Arsenault to stop, Eley said.

    The suspect and several witnesses told police that the suspect fired the gun several times when Arsenault continued walking toward him, Eley said.

    Police recovered two knives from Arsenault at the hospital, Eley said.

    Police interviewed and released the suspect, who initially fled the scene on foot before police picked him up at a nearby apartment complex, early Saturday, Eley said. The findings from the police investigation will be turned over to the Newport News Commonwealth's Attorney's Office to determine whether charges will be filed, Eley said.

    "We don't have information to bring charges at this time," said Eley.

    Police are still investigating and looking for any additional witnesses, including any restaurant patrons who might have seen the argument that took place inside the restaurant earlier in the night, he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if there is a LOT more to this story than the media is reporting. It will all eventually come out in court...
    It will be very interesting to see the end result "after the smoke clears"...
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    Fleeing the scene

    Call the cops ASAP.

    That being said, fleeing the scene is often A GOOD IDEA. Cops aren't stupid. They understand "I left because I didn't feel safe. I am at the intersection of A and B. could you please send a unit quickly, I'm afraid."

    P.S. - If you have the presence of mind, take the BG gun with you. Else someone could take it after you leave and before the cops arrive. (happens more often than you'd think) I made this mistake, and I think often about what that gun is doing right now. No it wasn't my responsibility, but I had an opportunity and missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    Call the cops ASAP.

    That being said, fleeing the scene is often A GOOD IDEA. Cops aren't stupid. They understand "I left because I didn't feel safe. I am at the intersection of A and B. could you please send a unit quickly, I'm afraid."

    P.S. - If you have the presence of mind, take the BG gun with you. Else someone could take it after you leave and before the cops arrive. (happens more often than you'd think) I made this mistake, and I think often about what that gun is doing right now. No it wasn't my responsibility, but I had an opportunity and missed it.
    Taking the BG's gun with you could backfire, as in tampering with evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Taking the BG's gun with you could backfire, as in tampering with evidence.
    No and No. Take the gun.

    If someone else takes it, then it is only your word the BG was armed. If one of his buddies says you shot him for dope, you are screwed.

    Take the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Taking the BG's gun with you could backfire, as in tampering with evidence.
    Maybe not if you don't go too far from the "crime scene" and you IMMEDIATELY notify the police.
    Tell them then (on the 911 tape) that you took the BG's weapon from the scene to preserve your own life AND prevent the "disappearance" of valuable evidence. That should hold up when they start working on the timeline.
    I know my calling 911 right after someone ran me off the road at a 2 lane to 1-lane merge saved my bacon.
    I left the scene (actually kept going) because I was afraid the other guy had road rage. He had damage to his car, but my truck had very little. the cops took my report over the phone and suggested I also contact my insurance company. Good thing I did, too... HIS insurace company tried to sue mine. Mine didn't pay a dime; his company ended up dropping him because of a high number of claims in a short period of time.

    They suspected him of fraud, but didn't have enough to go to court. They dropped him instead. They had already collected $ on several previous claims. They wouldn't share any details to "protect his privacy", but that clown was probably one of those scumbags that makes a living off frivilous lawsuits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    No and No. Take the gun.

    If someone else takes it, then it is only your word the BG was armed. If one of his buddies says you shot him for dope, you are screwed.

    Take the gun.
    Taking the gun to keep one of his buddies from taking it and becoming a second threat might be prudent. Leaving the scene with it might not be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Do you think they would have let the guy go if he had multiple felony convictions?
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    Yes. If there were collaborating witnesses as stated in the article. There are too many things we don't know. Let's see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    No and No. Take the gun.

    If someone else takes it, then it is only your word the BG was armed. If one of his buddies says you shot him for dope, you are screwed.

    Take the gun.
    Agree. Also don't unload it and be careful of destroying prints on it. Also his fingerprints will probably be on the bullits and magazine (if a semiauto) too. Hard to prove it isn't his gun if it has his prints all over it.

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    Originally Posted by TFred
    Do you think they would have let the guy go if he had multiple felony convictions?
    TFred

    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    Yes. If there were collaborating witnesses as stated in the article. There are too many things we don't know. Let's see what happens.
    Possession or Transportation of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon is a Class 6 Felony in Virginia

    Any person who was previously convicted of a felony within the past 10 years will be sentenced to a minimum mandatory of 2 years imprisonment.

    See Virginia Penal laws – 18.2-308.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Do you think they would have let the guy go if he had multiple felony convictions?
    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    Yes. If there were collaborating witnesses as stated in the article. There are too many things we don't know. Let's see what happens.
    Quote Originally Posted by WarDragonII View Post
    Possession or Transportation of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon is a Class 6 Felony in Virginia

    Any person who was previously convicted of a felony within the past 10 years will be sentenced to a minimum mandatory of 2 years imprisonment.

    See Virginia Penal laws 18.2-308.2
    Ah, yes, that one snuck up on me. However, there is apparently case law that in some situations allows a convicted felon to use a firearm to defend him/herself. It's kind of tricky, because they still can't possess one until they find themselves in actual need of it... and I would think that would be the exception and not the rule... makes it harder to believe they would let a convicted felon involved in a self-defense shooting go while they investigate. I would think it more likely that they hold them while they investigate to see if it really was self-defense.

    By the way, check out the FAQ entry on using the multiple post quote feature. It's handy.

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    From what is being reported. it sounds like a clean shoot to "me". And as for leaving the scene, dang skippy, if the BG had friends or family in the club, things could have gotten really messy really fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Taking the gun to keep one of his buddies from taking it and becoming a second threat might be prudent. Leaving the scene with it might not be.
    Just because you shot someone doesn't mean your not the victim.
    You have every right to get the hell out of there.
    Hanging around is really stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    From what is being reported. it sounds like a clean shoot to "me". And as for leaving the scene, dang skippy, if the BG had friends or family in the club, things could have gotten really messy really fast.
    The shooting "victim" was my ex brother in law. Their mother thinks nothing they have done is their fault, and Greg had a rap sheet a mile long and had just recently gotten out of prison. They're awful people. How they have this Army of people that think they are saints is beyond me. Once when my husband and I (Greg's brother) were having an argument, he called and threatened me, that him and his "boys" would get me. Good riddance. I'm glad he was acquitted. I left the state to get away from his brother, and had I known about the case at the time I would have testified to their character.

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    welcome to the forum...

    the event described transpired over six years ago and my understanding apparently had quite a few judicial twists and turns, culminating in an acquittal, six years after the fact, for the shooter.

    OP, there are a myriad of ways intimate loved ones deal with the untimely death within their familial unit ~ moving on is normally not top on the list!

    the hurt, even after six years, expressed in your post is quite obvious and i wish you find the strength to overcome that pain as running away hasn't worked out well for you.

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    Interesting. I heard about this via social media and had no idea it happened 6 years ago. Sounds to me like a low life threatened the wrong dude's life, but what do I know?
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