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    The Golden Market Shooting

    Today (July 11) is the anniversary of the Golden Market Shooting in Richmond.
    For those that don't know about it, a man legally carrying an unusual handgun openly, saved the lives of ten people in Richmond's Southside.

    I've been working on a video of the event for months. It won't win any awards but tells the story, much in the shooters own words.

    This video has been difficult. The shooter is a very private person. I took no video of him and was asked to disguise his voice on what was already very poor audio.

    The Richmond Police Department was uncooperative to say the least. The Chief doesn't want people to know they can defend themselves. They went as far as denying they had the only Security tape, then when I called them on it, refused because it was evidence.

    This is a preview and even though it's the core of OC, it may be deleted. If so, it will also be on www.oldva.org.


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    Can't wait to see the whole film! Thanks!

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    Thanks ODA! It's been an eye opener. In another stage of my life, I spent 5 days a week in that area with people that didn't want to go to jail. I didn't think anything would shock me but the speed that this happened at, and how much it really took to end it was shocking.

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    Will this become a weekly, prime time show?

    Understand that you have another in the works - to be announced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    Can't wait to see the whole film! Thanks!
    Peter, Thank you for your hard work. I look forward to seeing the rest of the story, too!

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    looking forward to it.

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    Awesome look forward to seeing the whole thing.

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    ^what they all said.

    Can't wait to see it.

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    Thumbs up

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    ^what they all said.

    Can't wait to see it.
    Me Too

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    Very nicely done! I am anxiously waiting to see more of this.
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    Three Cheers for Peter

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    You are a true patriot. It is an honor to have you in this forum. I still do not understand why the administrators eliminate so much of what you provide us.

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    Looks good Don! Let me know when you are ready for me.
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    Evidence? Isn't the case closed? Can you FOIA it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Evidence? Isn't the case closed? Can you FOIA it?
    Yes, no and no.
    I did FOIA it.

    There is some question if there was a second person involved. A driver. I hit on that in part 1 of the video.

    In Virginia, evidence is released at the discretion of the PD. It is exempt from FOIA.
    The Virginia FOIA doesn't differentiate between closed and open. Evidence is always evidence.

    There were a lot of copies floating around the PD. The new Chief and you can guess at his reasons, collected them and said if anyone was caught with one he was terminated.

    The Detective did not have a copy on the property sheet. I told the City Attorney they were lying and she literally called me while I was on the way to the court house with a writ.

    That's when they used the evidence card and after taking it up with the FOIA council, they are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Yes, no and no.
    I did FOIA it.

    There is some question if there was a second person involved. A driver. I hit on that in part 1 of the video.

    In Virginia, evidence is released at the discretion of the PD. It is exempt from FOIA.
    The Virginia FOIA doesn't differentiate between closed and open. Evidence is always evidence.

    There were a lot of copies floating around the PD. The new Chief and you can guess at his reasons, collected them and said if anyone was caught with one he was terminated.

    The Detective did not have a copy on the property sheet. I told the City Attorney they were lying and she literally called me while I was on the way to the court house with a writ.

    That's when they used the evidence card and after taking it up with the FOIA council, they are correct.
    That is something that needs to be changed for FOIA requests.

    Evidence in closed cases not being released is BS.
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    Well, if past productions are any kind of indicator, the next one will be a "hit" also, with me at least. They just seem to get better and better. Peter, you do an awesome job. Some of my favorite posts are the ones where you have added your artistic skills, and they're probably the ones that I've drawn my friends attention to most of the time (when I'm able to get access), and they sure seem to enjoy them as much as I do.

    Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to do all of this. Looking forward to seeing you and everyone else at "Smokey Pig" tonight... as always!!!

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    Nice promo, Peter.

    Looking forward to the completed piece.

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    Peter, I just discovered this thread after Golden Market was mentioned in another thread.... was there a final version of this documentary video?

    Interesting to note... that you were refused FOIA access to the security video, but in an article linked below, PVC mentions watching it.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/g...rket-shooting/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Peter, I just discovered this thread after Golden Market was mentioned in another thread.... was there a final version of this documentary video?

    Interesting to note... that you were refused FOIA access to the security video, but in an article linked below, PVC mentions watching it.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/g...rket-shooting/
    No, I never completed it. There were a lot of reasons, some I really don't want to talk about but some are:

    Very little cooperation.
    Lots of audio problems because of the locations mandated.
    Very little usable video because of mandates.
    Some problems getting the entire story including the store video.

    Just not a lot to work with. This particular Doc. resulted in a change of policy and why i now pass on many issues that at first seem like a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    No, I never completed it. There were a lot of reasons, some I really don't want to talk about but some are:

    Very little cooperation.
    Lots of audio problems because of the locations mandated.
    Very little usable video because of mandates.
    Some problems getting the entire story including the store video.

    Just not a lot to work with. This particular Doc. resulted in a change of policy and why i now pass on many issues that at first seem like a good idea.
    No problem... I was just curious. I hadn't heard of this incident until it was mentioned in another thread (which led me to this thread...). Thanks for the update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    No problem... I was just curious. I hadn't heard of this incident until it was mentioned in another thread (which led me to this thread...). Thanks for the update!
    If you are ever in the area near Golden Market, stop by just to say "Hi" - both the owner and the "good samaritan" appreciate the support - I do so frequently myself.

    You can goggle the address and GPS directions - there is only one Golden Market in Richmond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    If you are ever in the area near Golden Market, stop by just to say "Hi" - both the owner and the "good samaritan" appreciate the support - I do so frequently myself.

    You can goggle the address and GPS directions - there is only one Golden Market in Richmond.
    I'll do that. I don't get down that way too much, but it would be good to stop by there.

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    Peter, thanks for all the time and effort you have placed into this. I too look forward to the full video.
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