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    Need Help In Long Beach LBPD ROUND TWO

    Tonight at the town center in Long Beach Police cuff and detain me again for over half an hour. Coming out of Barnes and Noble an officer named Gonyea yells at me to stop and put my hands on my head. I comply. He orders me to my knees and takes my gun and ammo away. Second officer has gun at low ready. They let me up and started asking for ID. I asked the officer if he was demanding my ID or Asking for it. He replied asking so i politely declined. They then said they would arrest me for violating Penal Code 12031 by not giving my ID. cuffed and thrown in a car for 25 min.
    Get me out of my car and tell me they knew who I was because one of the Park Rangers from July 4th showed up and IDed me. I asked to have my gun and ammo back and got some names before walking away with gun and ammo.

    We need a meet up in long beach to help the LBPD understand our rights. Wife has all on video. 28 min need to know how to edit it down to under 10 min to upload.

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    Thank you for standing your ground on ID!

    they think 12031 means you live in a "stop and ID state".
    you have a strong 42 usc 1983 case.
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    Awful.

    You're doing a great job though, friendly witness, getting everything on video/audio. You're doing great...it's your police department that's sucking it up.

    I don't know what to say though beyond that. I really think now is the time for a lawsuit, you have two instances now that you've been unlawfully detained in Long Beach. You have ample evidence in both cases that your fourth amendment rights were violated. I'm dubious that these violations of your rights will stop unless the officers and/or departments involved are sued for damages.

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    Ryan, unbelievable

    Yes I would say that a meetup is in order. Something on a larger scale than an individual carrier may teach them something. Maybe that needs to be next month. I'll be watching for it or let me know and we will attend.

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    Pretty sure your detainment in this case rose to the level of de facto arrest. 25 minutes, cuffed and stuffed in a patrol car is an arrest. You need to contact the guys at the Calguns Foundation (not the Calguns.net forum, different entities) and attorney Jason Davis.

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=245866

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    949-436-4867 - Davis & Associates

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    12031 has nothing to do with identification and unless you had ammunition attached to your firearm in a position to fire, there wasn't anything to arrest for.

    Since they, like their Park Ranger bretheren. have detained you longer than was necessary to inspect for loaded condtion, are increasing the department's liability, should a 1983 lawsuit arrise.

    I do not agree that this is the time for a 'meet up'... (not in the sense that most here are thinking.) There should be widespread activity, but not in the same locations or at the same time. Bigtoe416 may be right- this may only be eliminated with litigation, but in lieu of that, is changing their 12031 enforcement policy with plan "V".

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    Be Careful out in Long Beach

    If the rank and file LBPD officers are obviously not getting the OC training memos..... I guess it is time for an attorney to 'serve" them one via Federal court. Sorry to hear about your latest detention, but it is time to act with legal action before you get hurt. 2 detentions in two weeks is nuts in the same town. Be really CAREFUL because I am sure they would like to trip you up saying you were in a GFSZ, or were LOC to help negate their previous bad conduct. Don't be so naive to believe they are all honest boy scouts and will always tell the truth. Most will, some won't.

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    If I were you I'd notify your nearest FBI office of the two incidents. It seems a pattern may be forming. The FBI has the ability to investigate and criminally pursue any abuse of authority under color of law. Nothing may come of it now, but if it keeps happening you may get some help from the feds.

    Also get in touch (and keep in touch) with the ACLU about this. I understand the CA ACLU hasn't proven to be very pro-gun in the past, but now that the 2A is a recognized right, they may be willing/obligated to help. At the very worst you'll waste 15 minutes of your time and have some elitist gun-grabber attorney tell you off.
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    What's that old saying, "Detain me once, shame on you. Detain me twice, shame on me."

    I hope you did something between that first and second time. Otherwise, you must enjoy having your civil liberties violated!

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    Sorry to hear this man. LBPD is a fairly big dept too. You'd think they'd be up to speed on this stuff by now.... sheesh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post
    What's that old saying, "Detain me once, shame on you. Detain me twice, shame on me."

    I hope you did something between that first and second time. Otherwise, you must enjoy having your civil liberties violated!
    What he did, was to legally go about his daily life.

    Why should the law abiding citizen change anything about his life or daily routine, when it is the police that failed to comply with the law?

    "Detain me once, shame on you. Detain me twice, civil lawsuit on you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army View Post
    What he did, was to legally go about his daily life.

    Why should the law abiding citizen change anything about his life or daily routine, when it is the police that failed to comply with the law?

    "Detain me once, shame on you. Detain me twice, civil lawsuit on you."
    We don't live our lives to be violated. If you are a free man, live and act as a free man! You gotta "defend yourself" to ensure tomorrow is a day with a little less oppression and a little more liberty. Otherwise, all you are doing is to exercise and reinforce unlawful behavior; making the world a little more difficult for the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanburbridge View Post
    Wife has all on video. 28 min need to know how to edit it down to under 10 min to upload.
    I've been using windows movie maker. It is a free program that came with my computer and easy to convert audio to a movie or edit video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanburbridge View Post
    Wife has all on video. 28 min need to know how to edit it down to under 10 min to upload.
    PM me. I can put the video (in its entirety or edited) on my server. No 10 min limit I can also edit it down for you rather quickly.

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    use vimeo.com. no 10 minute limit. works great.

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    maybe not the gun but the carrier

    Hmmmm well maybe its not the gun but the carrier who causes the problems. I'm not a lawyer, cop or do I carry (only when doing my reserve time) but sounds like it could be you
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanburbridge View Post
    Tonight at the town center in Long Beach Police cuff and detain me again for over half an hour. Coming out of Barnes and Noble an officer named Gonyea yells at me to stop and put my hands on my head. I comply. He orders me to my knees and takes my gun and ammo away. Second officer has gun at low ready. They let me up and started asking for ID. I asked the officer if he was demanding my ID or Asking for it. He replied asking so i politely declined. They then said they would arrest me for violating Penal Code 12031 by not giving my ID. cuffed and thrown in a car for 25 min.
    Get me out of my car and tell me they knew who I was because one of the Park Rangers from July 4th showed up and IDed me. I asked to have my gun and ammo back and got some names before walking away with gun and ammo.

    We need a meet up in long beach to help the LBPD understand our rights. Wife has all on video. 28 min need to know how to edit it down to under 10 min to upload.

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    justus4all,

    Did you register here just to troll Ryan's threads? Because it seems that is all that you are doing. If you're not going to add anything substantive to the discussions here, maybe you should refrain from further posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justus4all View Post
    Hmmmm well maybe its not the gun but the carrier who causes the problems. I'm not a lawyer, cop or do I carry (only when doing my reserve time) but sounds like it could be you
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    justus4all ? Maybe it is just U 4 you

    Quote Originally Posted by justus4all View Post
    Hmmmm well maybe its not the gun but the carrier who causes the problems. I'm not a lawyer, cop or do I carry (only when doing my reserve time) but sounds like it could be you
    It is a good thing that you don't open carry. If I were a cop I would definately stop a troll with a gun.
    Do trolls have to carry identification on them?

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    Yes it may be just me.
    WoW I just got back from Colorado for vacation. LOC every place I went. Stopped at state line for gas, LOC when a security guard asked if my gun was real. I said yes and he said he was not sure if it was ok inside primm casino. I said my family and I were on our way out and asked if he would like to escort us out, as two guys with loaded guns was better then one. He laughed and said no need, have a good day. At the bass pro shop just outside the strip I walked in and the greeter asked if I had a CCW. I informed her that I did not have a gun concealed, that I was practicing LOC legally in NV. She said no LOC in the store, it's policy. I informed her I would not spend money at a store that restricted people from exercising their R2BA. I left and called the store manager from the truck and he informed me that it WAS ok to LOC in the store, just as long as it stayed holstered. He met me at the door to explain the correct policy to the greeter, who apologized. I had a great time and learned alot.

    In Utah the gun can be Carried loaded as long as it is two actions away from being fired. Full mag empty chamber. Revolver set to next round empty.

    Update: talked to Sam Paredes from GOC to see what if anything should come next.

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    It's great to enjoy your rights in the free states, isn't it? Loaded, no hassle, no permission asked or given, just you going about your lawful business or pleasure. It's sad that so many Californians can't see beyond the borders in their own minds to the great expanse of freedom that lies just beyond. It's not just another state, it's a whole different planet.
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    I don't live too far from Long Beach. I would be happy to do a meet n greet while OC'ing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotar4life View Post
    I don't live too far from Long Beach. I would be happy to do a meet n greet while OC'ing.
    Sounds like you caught some flack. Stay tuned I know of some people in and around Long Beach that would be interested in a Meet Up. I work across the street from the Turners in Signal Hill. If you or any one els stops by during the day call me and we can go drool over the guns. Or talk shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanburbridge View Post
    Sounds like you caught some flack. Stay tuned I know of some people in and around Long Beach that would be interested in a Meet Up. I work across the street from the Turners in Signal Hill. If you or any one els stops by during the day call me and we can go drool over the guns. Or talk shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post
    What's that old saying, "Detain me once, shame on you. Detain me twice, shame on me."
    i think it goes more like this "Detain me once, shame on you. Detain me twice, we dont get fooled again"

    hahaha

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