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Thread: OC/CC Question
I plan on going to Northwest Trek this weekend, and I was wondering if I can OC/CC there? I searched around their website for a bit and couldn't find any info, maybe I missed it. Any useful help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks!
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Last edited by gogodawgs; 07-15-2010 at 11:39 AM.
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Northwest Trek falls under the cognizance/administration of Metro Parks Tacoma. As such, it falls under state preemption, and, therefore, firearms cannot be prohibited there, by law. We've gotten Tacoma to remove the no firearms signs at other parks they operate, so they do know about preemption.
Point Defiance Zoo was the reference I was thinking about that used to have no firearms and no longer does.
There is no firearms listed in the link above, so you are good to go according to state law and Metro Parks Tacoma.
Last edited by NavyLCDR; 07-15-2010 at 11:40 AM.
Governance & Finances
Northwest Trek is owned and operated by Metro Parks Tacoma. Dr. David and Connie Hellyer donated Trek's land to Metro Parks in 1971, and the park opened four years later.
Metro Parks operates 70-plus parks in Tacoma, including Point Defiance Zoo & Aquarium and Tacoma Nature Center which, along with Trek, form the Zoological and Environmental Education Department.
Two governing boards oversee Trek's budget, policies and projects: The Metro Parks Tacoma Board of Commissioners and the Zoo Trek Authority (ZTA).
Northwest Trek is publicly supported by a portion of the Pierce County sales tax. In the fall of 2000, Pierce County voters approved to increase the sales tax one-tenth of a percent to help Northwest Trek, its sister facility Point Defiance Zoo & Aquarium and Pierce County parks. Half of Trek's entire budget comes from that Pierce County sales tax. Other revenues come from admission fees, gift shop and restaurant sales and membership sales.
Therefore, OC would be legal.
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Ok so now I'm even more confused.... lol! Should I just call and ask? I would like to carry, but I dont want any trouble and just want to have a good time looking at the animals.
What was confusing is I got different answers....
But I'll go with the answer that it's illegal.
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LOL! How did you get that its illegal! We all said you should do it!
OMG! Now I am ALMOST confused.
Firearms are ALLOWED and LEGAL at Northwest Trek.
It would be an illegal act for the City of Tacoma and/or Metro Parks Department to prohibit firearms there.
So what you're saying is that it is not, not illegal for NW Trek to say it's illegal? :P
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Carrying = LEGAL
NW Trek prohibiting firearms = NOT LEGAL
I was at NW Trek today for several hours with my kids, mom, and wife. I was OC for part of the time, and CC for part of the time. I was never given any harassment for the firearm. There are no signs saying no firearms! There are no signs saying anything in regards to firearms in any fashion. I had two park staff talking about it, one was grumbling about how it was BS that I had it there, the other said it was legal, and he had to just deal with it. When we were standing in line I could tell some people were uneasy, others were almost in disgust however as time went on, and I participated in the questions, and pointing out animals on the road people seemed much more receptive. After we finished with the tram several people who looked at me with horror were looking at me in a different light! there was on man in front of me who changed his tune altogether saw my firearm, and smirked. I had no comments nothing negative from parents who were there with little kids. I overheard one mom say something about how I must care about my kids or something along those lines. Heard one kid ask her dad what it was, and why I had it. He said something to her about it is for protecting his family, it was kind of funny cause she then asked her dad if it was for protection how come he didnt have one All in all it was the most positive experience with a open firearm around large groups of kids I have ever been able to be apart of. I am proud of NW Trek for being understanding, following the law, and allowing my family to enjoy the park un-harassed. I want to say thank you to those here who support our cause this is an awesome moment for me. I felt this was a positive move for OC, and I am glad to have been apart of it. For those of you who want to know I was carrying my Raging Judge 3 in. this hand gun reaches just shy of being more than half way down my thigh. This firearm is hard to hide, and stands out with a neon sign that says I am here. I dont need to draw attention to it as it does that just fine on its own. I have not had a seriously negative oc experience as of yet going on 11 mo.
I OC'd at Woodland Park Zoo with no problem, just one guy with a simple non-negative question. Just as long as you don't open fire on the animals (especially the endangered species) they are OK with carrying.
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IIRRC, NW Trek was a privately owned property (park) and was given to the City of Tacoma.
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For all the squeamish, I have followed this policy for many years here in WA...and react according to the reception:
It is LEGAL to OC in WA. If you act like you are doing nothing unusual, most people will assume you are doing nothing unusual. I carry everywhere. If I am told my carry is not welcome, I tell those that say this, then I also am not welcome and will take my business elsewhere.
I have actually been asked to leave very very few places...and this has been since 1970...dry side and wet side. Granted, I am not a city boy, and never have been, but we have gone into both Spokane and Seattle on occation, even B'ham ... and we do go to town every week.
My very first OC experience was when I asked a person that was OCing in Sedro Woolley in 1970...I was told it was totally legal, read the law, tested it, no one cared...been OC'ing ever since.