500 people with a cap gun in holster

have gun will travel · Jul 15, 2010

let have another march in austin everyone wear a holster with a cap gun and invite all of the media

Thundar · Jul 16, 2010

Cap guns outside the Alamo

have gun will travel said:
let have another march in austin everyone wear a holster with a cap gun and invite all of the media

You should surround the Alamo in a circle while carrying your cap guns. Ask Texans why the State now forbids good men and women from exercising a right that others died in battle to provide to Texans.

jsimmons · Jul 18, 2010

Sounds pointless to me. I mean seriously - CAP guns? What is that going to prove beyond the fact that people can be trusted to open carry toy guns?

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

have gun will travel said:
let have another march in austin everyone wear a holster with a cap gun and invite all of the media

One of the worst suggestions I have ever seen.

If it looks like a gun, it will be treated as if you have a gun. Do not play games with the RKBA. There are far better ways to get the message across.

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
One of the worst suggestions I have ever seen.

If it looks like a gun, it will be treated as if you have a gun. Do not play games with the RKBA. There are far better ways to get the message across.

please no game are being played you can not go to jail for carrying a cap gun this is just a way to demonstrate open carry without being arrested try to think of some way to help out without criticize other people

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
One of the worst suggestions I have ever seen.

If it looks like a gun, it will be treated as if you have a gun. Do not play games with the RKBA. There are far better ways to get the message across.

go be the first one to open carry here in texas with a real handgun not just one day but every day but I think after the first day you will be arrested and that the reason for cap gun they are legal something to get the media attention to demonstrate open carry

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

have gun will travel said:
please no game are being played you can not go to jail for carrying a cap gun this is just a way to demonstrate open carry without being arrested try to think of some way to help out without criticize other people

I am not as familiar with the laws of Texas as I am of those in Virginia, but I can assure you that in Va. if you are carrying in a manner not allowed, you are going to garner a lot of unwanted attention even if it is a cap pistol i.e. in a court house, by a convicted felon etc.

This goes so far that if you point what turns out to be a cap pistol at someone, they would assuredly be justified in using deadly force in response if you put them in fear of their life.

I think you mean well, but your suggestion is extremely ill advised IMO.

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Grapeshot
One of the worst suggestions I have ever seen.

If it looks like a gun, it will be treated as if you have a gun. Do not play games with the RKBA. There are far better ways to get the message across.

have gun will travel said:
go be the first one to open carry here in texas with a real handgun not just one day but every day but I think after the first day you will be arrested and that the reason for cap gun they are legal something to get the media attention to demonstrate open carry

Why would you suggest that? I never hinted at someone carrying a real handgun.

I subscribe to the OCDO dictum of obeying the laws and working to change those the legislature those with which I do not agree.

There are many kinds of media and LE attention - neither is always positive - be careful for what you wish.

If you feel so strongly about OCing a cap gun, break the ice and be the first - please let us know how that works out.

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
I am not as familiar with the laws of Texas as I am of those in Virginia, but I can assure you that in Va. if you are carrying in a manner not allowed, you are going to garner a lot of unwanted attention even if it is a cap pistol i.e. in a court house, by a convicted felon etc.

This goes so far that if you point what turns out to be a cap pistol at someone, they would assuredly be justified in using deadly force in response if you put them in fear of their life.

I think you mean well, but your suggestion is extremely ill advised IMO.

man you are way out of line i think that anyone in this forum know better then to point any kind of weapon at anyone unless it for self defense if you read it again you will see it say cap gun in a holster
this would not be consider illegal to have a peaceful march to demonstrate that we should have the right to open carry in texas with a lot of help from the media

this would not be consider illegal this is just to demonstrate open carry with out being arrested not illegal but but still would need a permit for the march and to advise austin pd of what we plan to do

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

have gun will travel said:
go be the first one to open carry here in texas with a real handgun not just one day but every day but I think after the first day you will be arrested and that the reason for cap gun they are legal something to get the media attention to demonstrate open carry

have gun will travel said:
man you are way out of line i think that anyone in this forum know better then to point any kind of weapon at anyone unless it for self defense if you read it again you will see it say cap gun in a holster
this would not be consider illegal to have a peaceful march to demonstrate that we should have the right to open carry in texas with a lot of help from the media

this would not be consider illegal this is just to demonstrate open carry with out being arrested not illegal but but still would need a permit for the march and to advise austin pd of what we will be doing

It would appear that you may be right if your replica was manufactured before 1899.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm

http://ss.utpb.edu/media/files/university-police/TEXAS-WEAPON-LAWS.pdf

Now if you find cite/evidence to the contrary, I'll be happy to listen.

Ranting and misquoting me won't make it. Never said the intelligent ones here would point a look-alike toy gun at someone - but it HAS been done - that is why many states have laws against carrying such. Have you researched the Texas laws or are you just shooting from the hip? I suspect the latter.

I repeat, since you chose to ignore it before, be an army of one and do this in a high visibility area and let us know how that works out.

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Some recommended reading for you, there are others when you are done with these.

A graded pop quiz may be given at any moment..

http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/08/open-gun-holster-rally/

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-30809.html

http://www.accessexcellence.org/HHQ/qow/qow09/qow090609.php

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
Why would you suggest that? I never hinted at someone carrying a real handgun.

I subscribe to the OCDO dictum of obeying the laws and working to change those the legislature those with which I do not agree.

There are many kinds of media and LE attention - neither is always positive - be careful for what you wish.

If you feel so strongly about OCing a cap gun, break the ice and be the first - please let us know how that works out.

once again if you read this it about a march to demonstrate open carry which other people are invited to join which would mean a group of us would march on a plan out day to oc a cap gun for one day this is fine just for the march if there would even be a march this is just suggestion if something does become of this then more power for texas

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

Stop with the schemes that as you can seen nobody is endorsing.

Read up on what is and is not happening in Texas regarding OC.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...poration-post-time&highlight=texas+open+carry

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...f-Open-Carry-Effort&highlight=texas+billboard

This was started by two gentlemen from Virginia
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...illboard-Fundraiser&highlight=texas+billboard

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...poration-post-time&highlight=texas+open+carry
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?70116-New-push-for-2010&highlight=texas+open+carry

Put your cap gun away and align yourself with the experienced people in your state that have been in the trenches and getting their hands dirty doing yeomen's work - there are more than a few. Then you will be accomplishing something good.

You have already earned the right of IG - your want to try for NORE?
Or are you serious about wanting to help your state - if so reread the above and proceed accordingly.

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
Stop with the schemes that as you can seen nobody is endorsing.

Read up on what is and is not happening in Texas regarding OC.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...poration-post-time&highlight=texas+open+carry

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...f-Open-Carry-Effort&highlight=texas+billboard

This was started by two gentlemen from Virginia
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...illboard-Fundraiser&highlight=texas+billboard

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...poration-post-time&highlight=texas+open+carry
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?70116-New-push-for-2010&highlight=texas+open+carry

Put your cap gun away and align yourself with the experienced people in your state that have been in the trenches and getting their hands dirty doing yeomen's work - there are more than a few. Then you will be accomplishing something good.

You have already earned the right of IG - your want to try for NORE?
Or are you serious about wanting to help your state - if so reread the above and proceed accordingly.

once again if you have a plan let hear it if not don t be so quick to knock other people plan

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Grapeshot
Stop with the schemes that as you can seen nobody is endorsing.

Read up on what is and is not happening in Texas regarding OC.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...xas+open+carry

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...exas+billboard

This was started by two gentlemen from Virginia
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...exas+billboard

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...xas+open+carry

Put your cap gun away and align yourself with the experienced people in your state that have been in the trenches and getting their hands dirty doing yeomen's work - there are more than a few. Then you will be accomplishing something good.

You have already earned the right of IG - your want to try for NORE?
Or are you serious about wanting to help your state - if so reread the above and proceed accordingly.

have gun will travel said:
once again if you have a plan let hear it if not don t be so quick to knock other people plan

Have you read anything I posted and linked for you? Experience has taught many people that what you propose in not the best idea no one, not one person has come out in support of your idea - it is foolhardy and chock full of legal pitfalls as well as a potential public relations fiasco.

Try peddling this to those that are striving to get carry of any type in colleges and universities - they carry empty holsters.

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
Have you read anything I posted and linked for you? Experience has taught many people that what you propose in not the best idea no one, not one person has come out in support of your idea - it is foolhardy and chock full of legal pitfalls as well as a potential public relations fiasco.

Try peddling this to

once again if you have a plan let hear it if not don t be so quick to knock other people plan

Grapeshot · Jul 18, 2010

have gun will travel said:
once again if you have a plan let hear it if not don t be so quick to knock other people plan

Straw man argument.

Work within your legislative process, change the make up through elections. Don't pretend that your way is good unless some one comes up with an equally dramatic response.

I have no quick answer - Yours has been thoroughly hashed by others and found wanting, seriously so - that is my sole point for now.

You may enjoy this, but I find the continued conversation devoid of value.

Jack House · Jul 18, 2010

I agree with Grapeshot, it's a bad idea. Instead of being defensive of it, why don't you just admit that it was a bad idea, scrap it, then seek help in coming up with new ideas? There is not shame in asking for help or admitting you're wrong. In fact, both are quite commendable and honorable.

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Grapeshot said:
Have you read anything I posted and linked for you? Experience has taught many people that what you propose in not the best idea no one, not one person has come out in support of your idea - it is foolhardy and chock full of legal pitfalls as well as a potential public relations fiasco.

Try peddling this to those that are striving to get carry of any type in colleges and universities - they carry empty holsters.

this is just a suggestion if it happen it happen but if you don t like what you see please tell us your plan or feel free to move to another thread it does not matter if anyone voted on this plan it just a suggestion

have gun will travel · Jul 18, 2010

Jack House said:
I agree with Grapeshot, it's a bad idea. Instead of being defensive of it, why don't you just admit that it was a bad idea, scrap it, then seek help in coming up with new ideas? There is not shame in asking for help or admitting you're wrong. In fact, both are quite commendable and honorable.

there no wrong or right here just suggestion which iam allow to post and he allow to post what on his mind to
not angry or upset

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